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riverman wrote:

I wasn't aware that any legal body, at any level, has managed to determine
precisely what the 2nd amendment intended. And for that matter, I'm quite
certain the words "well-armed" are not in there. So don't be so quick to
brush off the validity of the debate.

Good point. The meaning of the 2nd Amendment is obscure, at best. One
thing I'm sure of is that the gun nuts are really ****ed at the Founding
Fathers for putting that annoying "militia" **** in there. :-)

I think the phrase is "well regulated," not "well armed."

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Ken Fortenberry wrote in message y.com...
Tom Gibson wrote:

I could have guessed that you would be an anti-gun kind of guy. ...

Yeah, you could have, but you'd be wrong. I own several guns myself,
and I'm a card-carrying member of Pheasants Unlimited, but I've never
needed an Uzi to kill a pheasant and neither do you.

Sorry for the faulty perception. After reading various posts in this
thread, perhaps you have a point. The NRA can be a tad extreme at
times, OTOH, so can their opponents. Hangun Control Inc. is *at
least* as bad as the NRA.

OTOH, I'll agree with Mr. Carter, too. The 2nd Amendment has little
to do with pheasants. You may choose to pooh-pooh the concept of an
armed citizenry as the best defense against tyranny, but I do not.
IMO, anyone who thinks that the gov't is their friend has bought The
Big Lie.

As for your 'if you want to shoot at people you have to join a well
regulated militia' comment, I believe that the various governments of
these United States have more or less outlawed (or at least given up
on) the concept of a well-regulated militia other than the National
Guard--which is a far cry from what the 2nd Amendment refers to.
Frankly, I doubt that any of us actually *want* to shoot at
people--but I wonder which of us *would* if the situation called for
it?

I'll also agree with Wolfgang that the list of organizations whose
blacklist I'd like to be on is long indeed, and the groups he mentions
specifically are a good start.

Tom G
hunting rabbits in the AM

"Tom Gibson" wrote in message
om...
Ken Fortenberry wrote in message
y.com...
Tom Gibson wrote:

I could have guessed that you would be an anti-gun kind of guy. ...

Yeah, you could have, but you'd be wrong. I own several guns myself,
and I'm a card-carrying member of Pheasants Unlimited, but I've never
needed an Uzi to kill a pheasant and neither do you.

Sorry for the faulty perception. After reading various posts in this
thread, perhaps you have a point. The NRA can be a tad extreme at
times, OTOH, so can their opponents. Hangun Control Inc. is *at
least* as bad as the NRA.

OTOH, I'll agree with Mr. Carter, too. The 2nd Amendment has little
to do with pheasants. You may choose to pooh-pooh the concept of an
armed citizenry as the best defense against tyranny, but I do not.
IMO, anyone who thinks that the gov't is their friend has bought The
Big Lie.

As for your 'if you want to shoot at people you have to join a well
regulated militia' comment, I believe that the various governments of
these United States have more or less outlawed (or at least given up
on) the concept of a well-regulated militia other than the National
Guard--which is a far cry from what the 2nd Amendment refers to.
Frankly, I doubt that any of us actually *want* to shoot at
people--but I wonder which of us *would* if the situation called for
it?

I'll also agree with Wolfgang that the list of organizations whose
blacklist I'd like to be on is long indeed, and the groups he mentions
specifically are a good start.

I think everyone can find something to agree with you on too! In fact,
I am not an NRA member and interestingly enough, received a call from them
less than two weeks ago to 'join them and their leader'. Seemed a little
South Park cult-like if you ask me, and, I believe many of their views are
extreme - such as their stance against 'ballistic fingerprinting' and
against firearm locks.


Tom G
hunting rabbits in the AM

"Tom Gibson" wrote in message
om...
Ken Fortenberry wrote in message
y.com...
The American Bar Association is on the list, the American Medical
Association is on the list. Naturally, the ACLU and the NEA are on
the list, hell, even the St. Louis Cardinal baseball team is on the
list !

Paul Newman, Walter Cronkite, Oprah Winfrey, Sean Connery, Kevin
Costner, Julia Child, Billy Crystal, Jack Nicholson, Robert Redford,
all on the list.

Don't be left out ! Go to this website and get on the list !

[foolish URL deleted]

I could have guessed that you would be an anti-gun kind of guy. It's
exactly what I'd expect from a fly angler more obsessed with 'elitism'
than with actually fishing. Did you cross-post this one to
talk.politics.guns? I wonder how many of your FF'ing heroes would
agree with you on this one.

BTW, where in hell does the ACLU get off supporting "civil liberties"
while opposing the 2nd amendment? No small dichotomy there, eh?

I wonder, do you also think that all of humanity will all "just get
along" someday?

Tom G

Like Ken, I am a gun owner.....got four of them....no handguns....yet....but
I've been toying with the idea for years. Wisconsin is currently among
those states considering a concealed carry law. I haven't kept current on
the debate, so I'm not real sure where the issue stands right now. If it
passes, I will get a permit to carry. Whether or not I actually WILL carry
a concealed weapon......um, gun, that is...I already carry a knife....is yet
to be decided. At any rate, I think I've made my stand on the second
amendment to the U.S. constitution very clear on a number of occasions in
this group. That said, I would be proud to be on the NRA's blacklist.....or
the ACLU's.....or the Unitarian's....or the American Nazi Party's.....or
****ing Burger King's for that matter.

Wolfgang
who, if he has left anyone out, offers profuse apologies, and hopes to
rectify the matter in a subsequent missive.

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:32:45 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:

....or
****ing Burger King's for that matter.

Wolfgang
who, if he has left anyone out, offers profuse apologies, and hopes to
rectify the matter in a subsequent missive.


You're probably already on that list. They're worried about guilt by
association . . . .

Peter

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"Peter Charles" wrote in message
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:32:45 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:

....or
****ing Burger King's for that matter.

Wolfgang
who, if he has left anyone out, offers profuse apologies, and hopes to
rectify the matter in a subsequent missive.


You're probably already on that list. They're worried about guilt by
association . . . .

Peter

Then they ain't as dumb as they look.

Wolfgang