Obama

On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:25:57 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:


"Lazarus Cooke" wrote


To this long-time exile, could you, succinctly, explain why Obama is
much better than Clinton?

I have a republican (as opposed to Republican) dislike for dynasties

and she went the wrong way, and he the right way, over Iraq,

but beyond that?

(There's a nice article in today's Manchester Guardian about this -
http://tinyurl.com/37hyjs
but it's written by a Brit, and thus inevitably a bit suspect)



I think the article you site does a good job ... i.e. there aren't huge
'issue' differences

The reasons I prefer Obama include ... he strikes me as extremely
intelligent ( a very big change over the last 8 years ), not that Clinton is
dumb.

Obama has a quality you don't often see in politicians, he actually
listens. Let me use this ROFF place to explain how I mean that. Around
here, people read ( listen) only until they have something to attack or use
to gain points for themselves, often ending up mis-reading in the haste to
attack/ defend, this is the typical politicians style too. Obama gives me
the impression that he actually tries hard to understand what is being said,
and works as hard at finding things to agree with as to disagree with. I
base this observation over the long term and not just the last few weeks,
where, sadly, Obama has be forced more into a 'sound bite' mode.

Obama is bringing LOTS of new people into the process, young people and
older folk wanting to hope again. Democracy is about 'the people' and the
fact that several TIMES as many people are voting, this Dem primary, as in
the past IS ALREADY a wonderful accomplishment for the man.

Obama is truly interested in the future, in trying to find common ground and
start repairing the damage Rove et al have done to our country. I base
this on what he says and my "gut" evaluation of his honesty. Clinton
uses much of the same language of "change" and "future" but also slips often
into little lapses that, to me, indicate she really wants to go back to the
90's and 'settle some business' .... first you 'can't go home again' ...
second, we need a person that really wants to unite, not one with a chip
still shouldered.


ANY of the Republicans running would be far, Far, FAR, worse than any of
the Dems that have. McCain is better than Bush, but who isn't? That
said, 'electability' is a big issue ... right now polls show Obama would
beat McCain handily, Clinton would lose to him. Many Republicans don't
have anyone to vote FOR in this race, but Many, Many would come out to vote
AGAINST Hillary.

MY Country desperately needs an "image makeover" in the world thanks to Bush
( as you well understand ) IMHO, electing Obama in a country that has
our racist history will send a clear massage to the world that we ARE still
trying to be a place where anyone can 'make it' and greatly improve our
image ( this is my only 'racial' thought about this election ). Electing
Clinton II shortly after electing Bush II will increase the impression that
we are really becoming a place of dynasties


As rw says, if Clinton gets the nomination, I'll vote and work for her since
she stands head, shoulders, and bust line g above any on the other side
... but Obama is the first ( mostly for 'gut impression' reasons )
politician in a long time that I have voted FOR ... strictly FOR .... i.e.
I didn't vote against Hillary .... I voted FOR Obama

Well said and rightly spoken. And thank you for that...

/daytripper

Larry L wrote:

As rw says, if Clinton gets the nomination, I'll vote and work for her since
she stands head, shoulders, and bust line g above any on the other side
.... but Obama is the first ( mostly for 'gut impression' reasons )
politician in a long time that I have voted FOR ... strictly FOR .... i.e.
I didn't vote against Hillary .... I voted FOR Obama

I think Obama will eventually get the nomination, but it might be a
brokered convention. That alone would be an entertaining political
drama, unseen in America for many years.

The Democratic nomination might come down to the "super delegates," who
are typically office holders or insiders of some stripe. They can vote
for whomever they please.

I'm an ordinary delegate. My vote is committed to Obama, the
overwhelming favorite (50-8) of my fellow caucus members.

My biggest problem with Hillary Clinton is that she could energize the
rabid right-wing Republican vote. They hate her. Her campaign would be a
get-out-the-vote campaign for the wingers.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Thanks, Royal and Larry etc..

You've convinced me.

Lazarus

"Larry L" wrote in message
...

...Electing Clinton II shortly after electing Bush II will increase the
impression that we are really becoming a place of dynasties....

Oh, good grief. Does the name Roosevelt ring any bells? No? Adams?

Wolfgang
well, what can one expect in a world in which some local "sports" franchise
or other wins some parochial championship or other and everybody starts to
bleat about "dynasties"?

On 5-Feb-2008, rw wrote:

I'm driving 120 miles round-trip to the the Democratic Party caucus in
Challis to support Obama.

Custer County has one delegate.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

I just would like to see the current scumbags voted out of office ASAP and
resoundingly so!
Good luck w Obama
I have my doubts whether this country is yet ready for a black man as Prez
But my border collie is a better choice than what we have now

Fred

Fred

In article ,
writes

On 5-Feb-2008, rw wrote:

I'm driving 120 miles round-trip to the the Democratic Party caucus in
Challis to support Obama.

Custer County has one delegate.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

I just would like to see the current scumbags voted out of office ASAP and
resoundingly so!
Good luck w Obama
I have my doubts whether this country is yet ready for a black man as Prez
But my border collie is a better choice than what we have now

Fred

Fred

What's the problem with colour? You've already had two who have been
very RED in the face. er go Nixon and Clinton.
--
Bill Grey

typed:
On 5-Feb-2008, rw wrote:

I'm driving 120 miles round-trip to the the Democratic Party caucus
in Challis to support Obama.

Custer County has one delegate.

I just would like to see the current scumbags voted out of office
ASAP and resoundingly so!

Let us know how you mark the ballot to vote someone out.
--
TL,
Tim
(It must be one of those Florida thingies. . . )
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj

On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:15:23 -0500, "Tim J."
wrote:

typed:
On 5-Feb-2008, rw wrote:

I'm driving 120 miles round-trip to the the Democratic Party caucus
in Challis to support Obama.

Custer County has one delegate.

I just would like to see the current scumbags voted out of office
ASAP and resoundingly so!

Let us know how you mark the ballot to vote someone out.
--
TL,
Tim
(It must be one of those Florida thingies. . . )
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Nahhh. He's just been smokin' some baaaaad stuff, dontchaknow.

rw wrote:
I'm driving 120 miles round-trip to the the Democratic Party caucus in
Challis to support Obama.

Custer County has one delegate.


i'll chip in on your gas bill next time i see you...good work!! i'll be
interested in seeing what happens. this has been a facinating primary
process on both sides...

jeff

"jeff miller" wrote in message
. ..
i'll chip in on your gas bill next time i see you...good work!!

oh, here we go again. Jeff will put in "Regular" and all hell will break
loose......
Tom
p.s. What? Doesn't everyone throw a fit over that one?