So, OK, he's for change, he gives Chris Mathews a feeling "up his leg," and...

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Oooo-kay....how is that "racist?" It's a pretty well accepted term,

Accepted by you and your ilk, perhaps; but that speaks volumes in itself.
In that you've now used this "jungle" reference twice recently in clear
reference to a well educated and respected black candidate for the
Presidency cannot be interpreted as anything other than an intentional
disparagement of his race and himself personally. You knew exactly what you
were writing, you know exactly what it implies, and you know damned well
it's racist. Spare me the bull**** spin.

Joe F.

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:23:19 -0600, wrote:

just what kind of pol
is this sumbitch, what did that piece of **** Kennedy get out of the
deal, and just bad is it gonna wind up ****ing _me_?

Exactamundo. buzzer

"We have a winner in the balcony, Doctor."

Dave

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Which
brings us back to a paraphrasing of my question: just what kind of pol
is this sumbitch, what did that piece of **** Kennedy get out of the
deal, and just bad is it gonna wind up ****ing _me_?

Rick, can I put out the possibility that you are overanalyzing this? From a
purely partisan politics standpoint, perhaps old Teddy calculated that
Hillary can cause the Republicans to suddenly get united, in a way Obama
can't. Knowing it will take a wave of support to keep the party from
nominating Hillary, he may have gambled on the path most likely to sweep
more Dems into office, without any big-time tradeoffs. Certainly, his
political goals don't differ so much from Obamas as to necessitate a 'deal
with the devil', and in recent years, Kennedy has been a rare example of
trying to work deals between GOP and Dem groups.
Tom

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:53:50 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:


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.. .
Which
brings us back to a paraphrasing of my question: just what kind of pol
is this sumbitch, what did that piece of **** Kennedy get out of the
deal, and just bad is it gonna wind up ****ing _me_?

Rick, can I put out the possibility that you are overanalyzing this? From a
purely partisan politics standpoint, perhaps old Teddy calculated that
Hillary can cause the Republicans to suddenly get united, in a way Obama
can't. Knowing it will take a wave of support to keep the party from
nominating Hillary, he may have gambled on the path most likely to sweep
more Dems into office, without any big-time tradeoffs. Certainly, his
political goals don't differ so much from Obamas as to necessitate a 'deal
with the devil', and in recent years, Kennedy has been a rare example of
trying to work deals between GOP and Dem groups.

Possible? Sure. Likely? I don't think so, _unless_ Teddy has _really_
changed in the last year or two. Heck, you seem to acknowledge that
whatever went down, Teddy calculated - and I'd offer that it was every
angle he could think of. He's the son of Joe, perhaps moreso than any
of them (certainly neck and neck w/ Bobby), and I'd bet big he's still a
scheming POS who doesn't do jack **** unless it benefits him and the
Kennedy machine. And I question the "Hillary unites the GOP..." thing -
Hillary is a longshot with a broken leg and a fat jockey; I'd offer that
the GOP could come up with Cheney/Rumsfeld '08 and about all it would do
is make it a horserace for second place.

Given the landscape right now this minute:

I suspect McCain/just about anyone except Obama beats
Hillary/_anyone_, including Bill about as bad as is possible, say,
57%-43%-ish, the unlikely McCain/Obama beats _anybody_ else _at least_
75%-25%, and the likely McCain/whoever vs Obama/anyone but Hillary
goes 51%-49% or closer, flip a coin but _probably_ McCain. If Obama
screws the pooch and picks (or gets saddled with) Hillary, it's McCain
by 5 or so and Obama can get tips on dealing with ****ing away national
aspirations from Lieberman. Hillary's done - it looks like Barack van
Helsing put a stake right through her undead heart about December and
Teddy knew it before he got anywhere near that stage...and I'm pretty
sure this one ain't gonna have a sequel where the monster wasn't really
dead...

TC,
R

Tom

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I'd bet big he's still a
scheming POS who doesn't do jack **** unless it benefits him and the
Kennedy machine.
I'm not too sure there really is a "Kennedy machine", in any real sense, at
this point in time. Their time has come and gone.
Given the landscape right now this minute:

I suspect McCain/just about anyone except Obama beats
Hillary/_anyone_, including Bill about as bad as is possible, say,
57%-43%-ish, the unlikely McCain/Obama beats _anybody_ else _at least_
75%-25%, and the likely McCain/whoever vs Obama/anyone but Hillary
goes 51%-49% or closer, flip a coin but _probably_ McCain. If Obama
screws the pooch and picks (or gets saddled with) Hillary, it's McCain
by 5 or so and Obama can get tips on dealing with ****ing away national
aspirations from Lieberman. Hillary's done - it looks like Barack van
Helsing put a stake right through her undead heart about December and
Teddy knew it before he got anywhere near that stage...and I'm pretty
sure this one ain't gonna have a sequel where the monster wasn't really
dead...
I think you are saying what I was trying to here. Teddy can do the math, and
was more jumping on the safest ship rather than extracting much in the way
of future favors.
Tom
p.s. Given the numbers Dems are turning out to primary elections, and that
most polled seem to be happy with either Hillary or Obama, my handicapping
of the fall race would put any Dem in front of McCain by a good 5 percent.
Obama could use McCain's weaknesses to stretch that to 15. And remember, who
told you Hillary was in more trouble than people thought several months
ago......g?

funny, the Fox link doesn't work, and there is an obvious disclaimer that
the office pictured is not affiliated with the campaign of Obama. Sounds
like the BS machine is trying to start up anew against Obama from the right,
but I think they might find his people ready to deal with it better than
Kerry did......
Tom

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:45:18 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

funny, the Fox link doesn't work, and there is an obvious disclaimer that
the office pictured is not affiliated with the campaign of Obama. Sounds
like the BS machine is trying to start up anew against Obama from the right,
but I think they might find his people ready to deal with it better than
Kerry did......
Tom


It's much ado about nothing. Some freelancer street-level vol - not at
an actual Obama HQ - at some sideshow office not actually connected with
the campaign - had a Cuban flag with "the" Che pic on it over her desk.
A newscrew was there. Of course they got a shot of it. She was a
dumbass, but it is about as relevant to Obama (and newsworthy with real
regard to Obama) as the fact that someone, somewhere in his campaign
once got a speeding ticket. Anyone who makes more out of it is an idiot
- IOW, if I listened to Mush Limpdick or Crazy Coulter, I'd expect to
hear him babbling and her shrieking about it for about a week...

TC,
R

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:45:18 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

unny, the Fox link doesn't work, and there is an obvious disclaimer that
the office pictured is not affiliated with the campaign of Obama. Sounds
like the BS machine is trying to start up anew against Obama from the right,
but I think they might find his people ready to deal with it better than
Kerry did....

Funny, I just looked at it and it worked fine.

The speaker says that the office will be full of paid workers within a
week. One would hope they take down the Che poster, wot?

Dave