Penns and Cicadas

Joel *DFD* wrote:

and, speaking of bringing things to penns...have y'all done away with
the raffle or do i need to scurry about for my pitiful contribution?

jeff (wondering where the pig hat sits now)


I think we've done away with the raffle.
Joel


good enough...i trust we'll still have the pub crawl? ...and the amish
or penn state ecdysiast tour?

jeff

Frank, I know you called thanks... I was just busting your stones
about getting the patterns someplace other than my shop. A friend who
has lived on the creek for many years said this "Be prepared in every
way this is a once in a life time event for anyone over 55". Ps: the
March Brown hatch is in full swing right now on the lower water.
See you when you get here.
Later

On May 7, 10:55*am, Softhackle wrote:
Frank, I know you called thanks... I was just busting your stones
about getting the patterns someplace other than my shop. A friend who
has lived on the creek for many years said this "Be prepared in every
way this is a once in a life time event for anyone over 55". *Ps: the
March Brown hatch is in full swing right now on the lower water.
See you when you get here.
Later

Well, since your shop opened and I moved away, Jonas is hurtin' for
cash... :-0
Frank Reid

On Mon, 5 May 2008 09:56:25 -0700 (PDT), Frank Reid
wrote:

And guess what? They're starting to emerge right now so by the time
Penns rolls around, it should be cicada heaven. Big fish going after
big orange and black bugs to big for the tiddlers to gulp down. This
should be like the green drake hatch on steroids, lasting all day. No
sitting around for the evening spinner fall. So bring your cicada
patterns and be ready and forwarned.

No waiting. No line. So sitting on the grass looking for the first
bug to come off. NYMPH the f&%$#~$!

Dave

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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On Mon, 5 May 2008 09:56:25 -0700 (PDT), Frank Reid
wrote:

And guess what? They're starting to emerge right now so by the time
Penns rolls around, it should be cicada heaven. Big fish going after
big orange and black bugs to big for the tiddlers to gulp down. This
should be like the green drake hatch on steroids, lasting all day. No
sitting around for the evening spinner fall. So bring your cicada
patterns and be ready and forwarned.

No waiting. No line. So sitting on the grass looking for the first
bug to come off. NYMPH the f&%$#~$!

Dave



Ahh yes....a Penn's professional for sure. At least Nymph it until your
shoulder is tired of catching fish, then take it easy for the hatch...

Frank Reid wrote:

And guess what? They're starting to emerge right now so by the time
Penns rolls around, it should be cicada heaven. Big fish going after
big orange and black bugs to big for the tiddlers to gulp down. This
should be like the green drake hatch on steroids, lasting all day. No
sitting around for the evening spinner fall. So bring your cicada
patterns and be ready and forwarned.
Frank Reid

I'm not intending to rain on your parade, but just to offer some
perspective:

A massive hatch, especially of huge bugs, has a downside. While it can
be furious action for awhile, the fish quickly get stuffed and stop
feeding. They'll eventually start up again, but it takes patience to
wait them out.

There's also the problem of getting them to pay attention to your
artificial in an abundance of naturals. (This is somewhat ironic with
respect to cicadas, because it's believed that the 17-year and 13-year
life cycle of some cicadas is meant to overwhelm predators with so many
bugs at once that they can't keep up, and that the prime numbers -- 17
and 13 -- enhance this effect by keeping the hatch "out of phase" with
the predator life cycles.)

I've seen this phenomenon with spinner falls of brown drakes (at Silver
Creek) and caddis (on the Middle Fork of the Salmon). I've seen
millions of spent bugs in the water, collecting in dense mats in the
eddies, and not a fish to be had.

If you wait until evening, well after the spinner fall, you can get good
action, but flogging the water covered with dead and dying bugs while
the fish are digesting is futile.

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"rw" wrote


be furious action for awhile, the fish quickly get stuffed and stop
feeding. They'll eventually start up again, but it takes patience to wait
them out.



I've seen this with Green Drakes on the HFork and Salmon flies on a couple
rivers ... bugs on the water everywhere but no fish to be seen, they're
simply stuffed ... I would think ( spelled g-u-e-s-s ) that with cicadas it
might not be as likely as with aquatic insects ... there may be billions of
them around, but how many on the water ?

be furious action for awhile, the fish quickly get stuffed and stop
feeding. They'll eventually start up again, but it takes patience to wait
them out.

I've seen this with Green Drakes on the HFork * and Salmon flies on a couple
rivers ... bugs on the water everywhere but no fish to be seen, they're
simply stuffed ... I would think ( spelled g-u-e-s-s ) that with cicadas it
might not be as likely as with aquatic insects ... there may be billions of
them around, but how many on the water ?


The action I saw in Maryland in 2004 was pretty awesome. One bug
would float down the river evey 10 minutes or so and the fish in the
pools would go nuts till a big fish came up to chomp on it. By then,
its legs and wings were gone, eaten by the smaller fish. I should
make a fly that has hooks instead of legs. I could haul fish out all
day long, just like the spin fishermen. Then again, it would be
illegal in most places.
Frank Reid

"Frank Reid" wrote

would float down the river evey 10 minutes or so and the fish in the
pools




that sounds close to 'perfect' ... enough bugs to get everyone "looking up"
and bugs big enough to interest B.B. Brown, but without too many bugs and
the resulting post-Thanksgiving-dinner-like feeling in Mr Brown's tummy ..

I fished the one in 2004 and never saw a trout rise to one, on the other
hand carp and bass liked them..


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