911

riverman wrote:
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I'm not doubting that the planes hit the WTC, but I have no assurance
that the 'official line' is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but
the truth.

Those were *not* planes, they were photon torpedoes made to look
like planes by the use of a sophisticated Martian cloaking device.

--
Ken Fortenberry

There are conspiracy theorist who blame this on Warren Buffet, AIG, my
company, and a whole host of other folks.
Go to the engineering and construction part of this site
http://www.caddigest.com/subjects/wtc/index.htm for better info on the
collapse.
In short, the heat destroyed the structural integrity of 4 floors.
The weight of the material (floors) on top dropped straight down on
the floors below, exploding them.
Bldg 7 was severely damaged by the fall of the two other towers, lost
structural integrity.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...42.html?page=5
Its like the empty beer bottles in my recycling box last night. No
one had been in the garage for two hours. The box was full, but the
bottles were cooling due to the evening chill. After not being
touched for two days (okay, I'm a slacker and haven't had enough beer
lately), one bottle slid of the others and caused a cascade bringing
about 10 others down with it.
I could blame the bottles rolling across my garage floor on ghosts,
unseen alcoholic black bears or Rush Limbaugh. In all honesty, crap
happens when loose structural integrity and entropy finally takes
over.
Frank Reid

On Dec 11, 9:53*am, riverman wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:00:59 -0800 (PST), riverman
wrote:
The whole thing fell apart for me when it was reported that someone
found the passport of one of the hijackers lying in the street near
Ground Zero a few days later.

No, actually. Like I said, my BS meter pegged when I heard that,
especially after seeing the video of the TONS of paperwork blowing all
around Ground Zero once the building collapsed.

According to the report you linked, the passport was found *before*
the tower collapsed, so there wouldn't have been "tons" of paperwork,
rubble, etc. The only stuff on the street would have come from the
plane or the impacted floors. Most paper, I daresay, probably burned
before falling or dispersed, so the unlikelihood of finding something
on the street isn't quite the needle in a haystack one might imagine
from the post-collapse debris pile.

What the hell a "passerby" was doing there or who he was is another
matter, but I don't think it's long odds that a passport might have
caught someone's eye pre-collapse.

$.02,
Joe F.

In article
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riverman wrote:

I'm not doubting that the planes hit the WTC, but I have no assurance
that the 'official line' is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but
the truth.

I think it's interesting, Riverman, that you're one of the few US
roffians who spends a lot of time outside the US.

I'm another, and I feel the same as you.

Lazarus

Lazarus Cooke wrote:
riverman wrote:
I'm not doubting that the planes hit the WTC, but I have no assurance
that the 'official line' is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but
the truth.

I think it's interesting, Riverman, that you're one of the few US
roffians who spends a lot of time outside the US.

I'm another, and I feel the same as you.

I don't doubt that some of the "official line" differs from
the "whole truth" in a few minor "cover your ass" ways but
I can't believe this administration is capable of concocting
and keeping secret a major conspiracy or cover-up. I mean
get real, these morons couldn't find their own asses with
both hands and a flashlight much less accomplish something
on that scale.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Dave LaCourse wrote:

I know I saw two airliners smash into both towers and the resulting
explosions. There will always be conspiracy nuts.

All due respect, Louie, but you saw footage on tv from Lakewood, just like
me.

- JR
(who's beginning to believe you think men walked on the moon, too....) ;-)

On Dec 11, 3:00*am, riverman wrote:
On Dec 11, 3:15*pm, "asadi" wrote:

....Okay, we are never going to really know what happened to Kennedy.....and
I'm ready the latest book by Bugliosi...and I have been cruising around
trying to get information on the World trade center collapses and building
7.

To say that the collapses and how they occurred were 'drilled' into us as a
part of our training is putting it mildly....I have tried to approach it
objectively and to be honest....I no longer believe what I was told..

Anybody got bourbon and a campfire?

john

The whole thing fell apart for me when it was reported that someone
found the passport of one of the hijackers lying in the street near
Ground Zero a few days later.

Yeah, right.

--riverman

I like this one.
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero...erreurs_en.htm

An how did they pick 757s? The only american air line at time capable
of remote control. 757s are all wired up for hands off landings from
40,000 to the runway.

An how did they pick 757s? *The only american air line at time capable
of remote control. *757s are all wired up for hands off landings from
40,000 to the runway.- Hide quoted text -

Huh? Remote control and hands off landings are two totally different
things. Most modern airliners can do hands off landings (747, 737s,
many 727s).
Frank Reid

I like this one.http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero...erreurs_en.htm

By the way, the friggen plane hit the ground and folded up like a
taco. I was a couple of miles away and I know 3 folks that were in
the parking lot that saw it. Get real.
I... must... not... listen... to... stupid... conspiracy...
theorists...
Frank Reid

wrote:
riverman wrote:
"asadi" wrote:
....Okay, we are never going to really know what happened to Kennedy....and
I'm ready the latest book by Bugliosi...and I have been cruising around
trying to get information on the World trade center collapses and building
7.
To say that the collapses and how they occurred were 'drilled' into us as a
part of our training is putting it mildly....I have tried to approach it
objectively and to be honest....I no longer believe what I was told..
Anybody got bourbon and a campfire?
The whole thing fell apart for me when it was reported that someone
found the passport of one of the hijackers lying in the street near
Ground Zero a few days later.

Yeah, right.

I like this one.
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero...erreurs_en.htm

There is only one thing which could have caused that damage to the
Pentagon and that is Martian photon torpedoes. Obviously the planes
themselves were incinerated by high powered laser death rays before
the Martians launched the photon torpedoes.

The whole horrible tragedy is easily explained if one just looks at
the facts with calm detachment and logic. I mean isn't it obvious ?
The Martians were *REALLY* ****ed off that Clinton ignored their
demand for Budweiser.

--
Ken Fortenberry