TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS

"Bluestone" wrote in message
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Scott,
Thank you for your response, well taken.

Happy Holidays,
Bluestonerod

How sweet.

Op --plonkeded--

Mr. Perez:

I believe you have made some very bad assumptions about how internet
rod building forums operate.

Boards cost money and most rely on sponsors for funding. Now if a
non-sponsor can get advertising and promotion at no charge on those
boards, then those who are sponsors will stop paying a fee to be
sponsors. At that point, the money runs out and the board shuts down.

Tom Kirkman has the finest internet rod building board there is. He
has done us all a good deed to create this wonderful site where more
rod building information is exchanged than anywhere else. If his
sponsors get mad and leave, then the board will shut down and we will
lose the #1 rod building site on the internet.

Boards that are not moderated are hateful cesspools of arguments and
problems. Tom's board runs smooth as silk because he has set some
rules and is quick to enforce them. I applaud his sense of fairness
but realize he has to protect the interest of his sponsors. They pay
for the board and are entitled to preferential treatment.

There are also a small handful of troublemakers that he is right to
keep out. They have ruined other boards and no one wants a repeat of
that at rodbuilding.org.

I hope you will send Tom an apology. He's a super friendly guy and
I'm sure he'll be willing to overlook your mistake.

Best of luck to you.

Aurthur Mercer

I'd like to thank you for your post on the 'Ethics' of this gentleman's
website...as you've just done some free advertising for what appears to be a
fine site run by an upstanding individual. I've been collecting information
to build my own rod and for whatever reason, had not yet run upon this fine
site. It appears to be exactly what I'm looking for -- a good site run by
someone who is fair and honest. I've bookmarked it for future reference and
won't be hesitant to pay an extra $0.50 for honesty and integrity.

Have a good day.


"Bluestone" wrote in message
om...
I found a good deal for rod support roller o-rings at C & G Tackle
Outlet, which are
selling for fifty cents ($.50) less than Renzetti's current price.
Renzetti is
'Kirkman's sponsor'; C & G Tackle Outlet can more than likely be
termed: 'less
than Kirkman's sponsor', as i have been summarily informed.

When i posted this information on rodbuilding.org, Kirkman removed my
post.
Many posts with various views followed: Kirkman removed them all, and
sent me the following email:


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Gary,

The owner of C&G Tackle has a history of attacking me and spreading
rumors
and falsehoods designed expressly to harm RodMaker Magazine and
RodBuilding.org. He is free to do that, but I will not provide him
with
the means to do so. I spent much time promoting his former companies,
Clemens Tackle and RodCrafters and was repaid by his distasteful
conduct.

I will not go into this any further. I am the owner of
Rodbuilding.org
and
have 100% authority on what can, and cannot, be posted there. My
record
and work on behalf of the rod building industry is beyond reproach. I
will
not allow any group or individual to destroy what I have done on
behalf
of
the rod building craft.

It is also important that I protect and promote those companies who
have
been willing to foot the bill to provide what most builders feel is a
truly
excellent site. It isn't free - somebody has to pay for it and when
non-sponsors take an unfair advantage in promoting their products on a
board that others are paying for, I will put my foot down.


Sincerely,

Tom Kirkman"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~

I find your email to be ambiguous hyperbole. I am not interested
in your personal life, nor the soap operas or the seeming vendettas
which may abound therein; however, i am interested
in giving all rodcrafters the best information i have.

In addition, i have no wish to post something you find so abhorrent
on your bulletin board.

As a newcomer to boards and newsgroups, (though i have
been building rods and teaching rodbuilding for over 20 yrs), i would
appreciate
all relevant responses to this situation. How far does one go to
censor a fifty cent
savings? One's sponsor would object?

Thank you in advance,

Sincerely,

bluestonerod

On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Bluestone wrote:

When i posted this information on rodbuilding.org, Kirkman removed my
post.
Many posts with various views followed: Kirkman removed them all, and
sent me the following email:

Where's Tony Germuga when you need him?

Mu

First, let me say, I've know Tom Kirkman longer than anybody on this board.
He and I went to high school together and his sister Lisa and I graduated
together. Tom was a year behind us. I've subscribed to his magazine and I've
purchased stuff from his old shop in High Point. He knows his stuff, he
shares the info he knows freely and openly, and he tries to do right by both
old experienced rod builders and newbies.

As to his removing your post, he states explicitly that "Only board
sponsors are permitted and encouraged to promote and advertise products on
the board." It is one of the first things you see when going to the
homepage. That said, you have no grounds for complaining that he removed
your post. If you don't like that, don't read the magazine, don't buy from
the sponsors, and confine your business to C&G Tackle Outlet.

-John


"Bluestone" wrote in message
om...
I found a good deal for rod support roller o-rings at C & G Tackle
Outlet, which are
selling for fifty cents ($.50) less than Renzetti's current price.
Renzetti is
'Kirkman's sponsor'; C & G Tackle Outlet can more than likely be
termed: 'less
than Kirkman's sponsor', as i have been summarily informed.

When i posted this information on rodbuilding.org, Kirkman removed my
post.
Many posts with various views followed: Kirkman removed them all, and
sent me the following email:


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Gary,

The owner of C&G Tackle has a history of attacking me and spreading
rumors
and falsehoods designed expressly to harm RodMaker Magazine and
RodBuilding.org. He is free to do that, but I will not provide him
with
the means to do so. I spent much time promoting his former companies,
Clemens Tackle and RodCrafters and was repaid by his distasteful
conduct.

I will not go into this any further. I am the owner of
Rodbuilding.org
and
have 100% authority on what can, and cannot, be posted there. My
record
and work on behalf of the rod building industry is beyond reproach. I
will
not allow any group or individual to destroy what I have done on
behalf
of
the rod building craft.

It is also important that I protect and promote those companies who
have
been willing to foot the bill to provide what most builders feel is a
truly
excellent site. It isn't free - somebody has to pay for it and when
non-sponsors take an unfair advantage in promoting their products on a
board that others are paying for, I will put my foot down.


Sincerely,

Tom Kirkman"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~

I find your email to be ambiguous hyperbole. I am not interested
in your personal life, nor the soap operas or the seeming vendettas
which may abound therein; however, i am interested
in giving all rodcrafters the best information i have.

In addition, i have no wish to post something you find so abhorrent
on your bulletin board.

As a newcomer to boards and newsgroups, (though i have
been building rods and teaching rodbuilding for over 20 yrs), i would
appreciate
all relevant responses to this situation. How far does one go to
censor a fifty cent
savings? One's sponsor would object?

Thank you in advance,

Sincerely,

bluestonerod

We are forgetting one very important fact , WE THE ROD BUILDERS GIVE
BUSINESS TO THE ROD COMPONENT COMPANIES( SPONSORS IN THIS CASE ).
But the original post is not about sponsors, as they are doing a
splendid job,
its about keeping knowledge from the Rod Crafter because of a
vendetta.
No one said Rod Maker magazine is a bad magazine. No one said
rodbuilding.org
is a bad board. No one said Tom kirkman is a bad person, all that was
said is a certain information was kept out cause
a vendetta between Tom Kirkman and Dick French (broken down).
rodbuilding.org is for the Rod Crafter to advance her or him, when
vital knowledge is kept out we all suffer. rodbilding.org is a public
site.
Tom Kirkman owns said site and gets paid by the sponsors to advertise
but no sponsors would take down a better deal and if any disagree
stand now and be heard.
WHEN ANYONE KEEPS KNOWLEDGE FROM BEING HEARD BY THE ROD CRAFTER
ESPECIALLY
ON SUCH A SITE THEN ITS WRONG.THIS DOESN'T MEAN TOM KIRKMAN IS A BAD
PERSON AS MANY HAVE TRIED TO INFORM ME IN EMAIL, BUT ONLY THAT THE ACT
IS WRONG.

Many talk about only sponsors are able to advertise, this is not
correct.
I have read many old and new post and seen many write urls or emails
about companies that are not sponsors.

AGAIN WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A VENDETTA.


Happy Holidays

Sincerely
bluestonerod

In article ,
foamed at the mouth...

AGAIN WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A VENDETTA.


And so what's the BFD? We got so many vendettas on ROFF that
you can't hardly make a cast without snagging one of the sumbitches
on your backcast. We _like_ vendettas around here. When we see
a little baby grudge hatching, we protect it and nurse it along
until it grows into a full grown adult vendetta. We got so many
that we export our surplus to Sicily.

Kevin

"Kevin Vang" wrote in message
...
In article ,
foamed at the mouth...

AGAIN WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A VENDETTA.


And so what's the BFD? We got so many vendettas on ROFF that
you can't hardly make a cast without snagging one of the sumbitches
on your backcast. We _like_ vendettas around here. When we see
a little baby grudge hatching, we protect it and nurse it along
until it grows into a full grown adult vendetta. We got so many
that we export our surplus to Sicily.

SPLORK!
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Kevin Vang wrote in message . ..
In article ,
foamed at the mouth...

AGAIN WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A VENDETTA.


And so what's the BFD?

~~~~Thank you, Kevin, for agreeing there is a vendetta.

"Bluestone" wrote in message
om...
Kevin Vang wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
foamed at the mouth...

AGAIN WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A VENDETTA.


And so what's the BFD?

~~~~Thank you, Kevin, for agreeing there is a vendetta.

Not to put too fine a point on it ole Blue, but I believe you missed the
point. See, them scumbag scaramouches in Sicily ain't never paid us a dime.
That **** don't fly here......one'a these days, there WILL be a reckoning.


Wolfgang
hey, they want a war?......we'll give 'em a war.