TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS

"Bluestone" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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AGAIN WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A VENDETTA.

Vendetta = Noun = A feud in which members of the opposing parties murder
each other.

What you have, is a one sided ****ing contest, and you are losing.

MC

(Bluestone) wrote in
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We are forgetting one very important fact , WE THE ROD BUILDERS GIVE
BUSINESS TO THE ROD COMPONENT COMPANIES( SPONSORS IN THIS CASE ).
But the original post is not about sponsors, as they are doing a
splendid job,
its about keeping knowledge from the Rod Crafter because of a
vendetta.
No one said Rod Maker magazine is a bad magazine. No one said
rodbuilding.org
is a bad board. No one said Tom kirkman is a bad person, all that was
said is a certain information was kept out cause
a vendetta between Tom Kirkman and Dick French (broken down).
rodbuilding.org is for the Rod Crafter to advance her or him, when
vital knowledge is kept out we all suffer. rodbilding.org is a public
site.

Rodbuilding.org is not a public site. Somebody owns the name. Somebody
pays to have the site hosted, Somebody puts the time into keeping it
running. That person has signed no contract guaranteeing you any
services. That site owes you nothing.

Tom Kirkman owns said site and gets paid by the sponsors to advertise
but no sponsors would take down a better deal and if any disagree
stand now and be heard.
WHEN ANYONE KEEPS KNOWLEDGE FROM BEING HEARD BY THE ROD CRAFTER
ESPECIALLY
ON SUCH A SITE THEN ITS WRONG.THIS DOESN'T MEAN TOM KIRKMAN IS A BAD
PERSON AS MANY HAVE TRIED TO INFORM ME IN EMAIL, BUT ONLY THAT THE ACT
IS WRONG.

Actually, it sounds like this Tom guy has a beef with someone, serious
enough to remove references to some group or company from his board, and
he's too much of a gentleman to publicly say what it is.


Many talk about only sponsors are able to advertise, this is not
correct.

No one has a right to advertise on anyone's site. No one can make a
private business do business with anyone else.

I have read many old and new post and seen many write urls or emails
about companies that are not sponsors.

AGAIN WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A VENDETTA.

And the site owner is entitled to his vendetta.



Happy Holidays

Sincerely
bluestonerod

Scott

Rodbuilding.org is not a public site. Somebody owns the name. Somebody
pays to have the site hosted, Somebody puts the time into keeping it
running. That person has signed no contract guaranteeing you any
services. That site owes you nothing.

~~~~The site owes the Rod Builder the chance to share within each
other,
that is why it was put there to begin with! public, "REALLY SOMEONE
OWNS IT"
My email isn't public and i do not own it, rodbuilding.org is for the
public Rod Builder, one doesn't need a password.


Tom Kirkman owns said site and gets paid by the sponsors to advertise
but no sponsors would take down a better deal and if any disagree
stand now and be heard.
WHEN ANYONE KEEPS KNOWLEDGE FROM BEING HEARD BY THE ROD CRAFTER
ESPECIALLY
ON SUCH A SITE THEN ITS WRONG.THIS DOESN'T MEAN TOM KIRKMAN IS A BAD
PERSON AS MANY HAVE TRIED TO INFORM ME IN EMAIL, BUT ONLY THAT THE ACT
IS WRONG.

Actually, it sounds like this Tom guy has a beef with someone, serious
enough to remove references to some group or company from his board, and
he's too much of a gentleman to publicly say what it is.

~~~~scroll, email, email, email i'm the public.




I have read many old and new post and seen many write urls or emails
about companies that are not sponsors.

AGAIN WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A VENDETTA.

----------And the site owner is entitled to his vendetta.

~~~~Not when it interferes with the reason for the site.
Then is just a joke.


Sincerely
bluestonerod

"Bluestone" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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SNIP
~~~~scroll, email, email, email i'm the public.
SNIP

You are not the public, you are an angry individual, who is losing a one
sided ****ing contest, and refusing to accept it.

This is a public newsgroup, but nobody here owes you anything at all. In
the meantime, quite a lot of people merely think you are being extremely
silly.

Doubtless realisation will eventually dawn.

Lastly, it does not matter what you think, as there is quite obviously not a
thing you can do about it.

MC

"Bluestone" wrote in message
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~~~~The site owes the Rod Builder the chance to share within each
other,
that is why it was put there to begin with! public, "REALLY SOMEONE
OWNS IT"
My email isn't public and i do not own it, rodbuilding.org is for the
public Rod Builder, one doesn't need a password.


Tom Kirkman owns said site and gets paid by the sponsors to advertise
but no sponsors would take down a better deal and if any disagree
stand now and be heard.
WHEN ANYONE KEEPS KNOWLEDGE FROM BEING HEARD BY THE ROD CRAFTER
ESPECIALLY
ON SUCH A SITE THEN ITS WRONG.THIS DOESN'T MEAN TOM KIRKMAN IS A BAD
PERSON AS MANY HAVE TRIED TO INFORM ME IN EMAIL, BUT ONLY THAT THE ACT
IS WRONG.

Actually, it sounds like this Tom guy has a beef with someone, serious
enough to remove references to some group or company from his board, and
he's too much of a gentleman to publicly say what it is.

~~~~scroll, email, email, email i'm the public.




I have read many old and new post and seen many write urls or emails
about companies that are not sponsors.

AGAIN WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A VENDETTA.

----------And the site owner is entitled to his vendetta.

~~~~Not when it interferes with the reason for the site.
Then is just a joke.


Sincerely
bluestonerod

I am an inveterate reader. Some, among those who know me well, go so far as
to say a compulsive, or obsessive reader. There are very few things that I
have not read something about. There are very few questions that I have not
seen addressed at one time or another, however well or poorly. And yet,
there is one nagging question that I have never seen, or heard, anyone deal
with. I have always wondered.....do people who are severely brain damaged
know that they are .......well, severely brain damaged?


Well?


Wolfgang

"Bluestone" wrote in message
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Rodbuilding.org is not a public site. Somebody owns the name. Somebody
pays to have the site hosted, Somebody puts the time into keeping it
running. That person has signed no contract guaranteeing you any
services. That site owes you nothing.

~~~~The site owes the Rod Builder the chance to share ***within*** each
other,

Eh? I naively thought the rod building referred to fishing. This *really*
is OT.

that is why it was put there to begin with! public, "REALLY SOMEONE
OWNS IT"
My email isn't public and i do not own it, rodbuilding.org is for the
public Rod Builder, one doesn't need a password.

Since you obviously have no clue about property rights, maybe you should
talk to a lawyer about your theory that this board was somehow *put* in
existence for the public to do what it wishes. Maybe, just maybe, if you
actually listen, you might hear the sound of something making sense.

And hell, even truly public property has rules one must abide to.

On 10 Dec 2003 16:25:07 -0800, (Bluestone) wrote:

Rodbuilding.org is not a public site. Somebody owns the name. Somebody
pays to have the site hosted, Somebody puts the time into keeping it
running. That person has signed no contract guaranteeing you any
services. That site owes you nothing.

~~~~The site owes the Rod Builder the chance to share within each
other,
that is why it was put there to begin with! public, "REALLY SOMEONE
OWNS IT"
My email isn't public and i do not own it, rodbuilding.org is for the
public Rod Builder, one doesn't need a password.

You're kind of new to this Web and 'Net stuff, right?

Web is all private property. Just like someone's home or office. And
they can say what they will and will not allow there.

Should his users decide they don't want to play by his rules, he can
do anything he likes to censor them or remove them (electronically.
Physical removal from the world is under different laws.).

Disneyland is open to the public, but the public can't run around
advertising Warner Brothers items. Try selling some Warner Brothers
items sometime at Disneyland. Watch / feel the censorship happen
Notice how quickly the property line approaches and you find yourself
outside it. Possibly being charged with disorderly conduct or
something other thing that'll get the police to help them move you
along.

The 'Net is more truly public. On someone's Web page I probably
couldn't say, "**** you." On many 'public' Web pages, that would be
removed and very likely my use privileges would be, too. On the 'Net
I generally can say that. Of course whoever I say it to on the 'Net
can come back with things I'm far to ladylike to type. Or the whole
newsgroup could turn on me (I've seen it happen. Sometimes been
amused and sometimes saddened when it does.). But I'd be free to say
it.

Read the news.newusers group. Really.
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My last entry didn't work so I'll try again.

It would appear there is more than this that Mr. Perez is telling. It
seems that Tom Kirkman and Dick French both own rod building
magazines. Tom has Rodmaker Magazine and Dick has something called
Rodcrafter Journal So a few years back Dick French who I think is the
guy operating C&G had published or stated false circulation figures
for Tom's magazine. You would assume this was done in order to harm
the other publication and maybe drive advetisers away. So it then
appears that Tom had to take legal action to get Dick to print a
retraction and say he was wrong.

Since then Tom did allow Dick on his board at rodbuilding.org as a
sponsor but Dick kept badmouthing Tom and his magazine and so finally
Tom got fed up and kicked him off. So now Dick sends people in to
advertise for him. They get removed and you get people like Mr.Perez
upset and trying to do more harm to Tom.

I'm not taking sides here and no one likes to read others dirty
laundry but there is more to this story than Mr. Perez is telling. Tom
seems like he went out of his way to accomodate somebody who was
trying to do harm to his business and just finally said enough is
enough. Plus he does have rules there on his board that were violated.
What's the beef???

John

From:

My last entry didn't work so I'll try again.

It would appear there is more than this that Mr. Perez is telling. It
seems that Tom Kirkman and Dick French both own rod building
magazines.

snip

Who are these people and why are they living in our basement?


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

rodcrafter writes:
Since then Tom did allow Dick on his board at rodbuilding.org as a
sponsor but Dick kept badmouthing Tom and his magazine and so finally
Tom got fed up and kicked him off. So now Dick sends people in to
advertise for him.

what about Jane? And Spot? I love when they update those reading primers!
Thank you for the update. Remind me again why we are discussing,ad nauseum, a
rodbuilding board in a fly tying newsgroup?
Tom