Tiny screws

On Jul 20, 5:09*pm, BJConner wrote:
On Jul 20, 8:42*am, riverman wrote:



On Jul 20, 4:09*pm, wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 06:46:44 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:
In the vein of topic headings with double meanings....

I have a 4wt Stealth reel that I picked up in South Africa a handful
of years back. The drag mechanism was always problematic, so I took it
off and have been palming the reel, which works just fine and has
landed some very large fish (just ask Roger). However, I might want to
sell it, and a prospective owner will certainly want to know about the
little hole where the drag mechanism goes, so I am putting it back on.

On Jul 20, 10:41*pm, MajorOz wrote:
On Jul 20, 5:09*pm, BJConner wrote:



On Jul 20, 8:42*am, riverman wrote:

On Jul 20, 4:09*pm, wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 06:46:44 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:
In the vein of topic headings with double meanings....

I have a 4wt Stealth reel that I picked up in South Africa a handful
of years back. The drag mechanism was always problematic, so I took it
off and have been palming the reel, which works just fine and has
landed some very large fish (just ask Roger). However, I might want to
sell it, and a prospective owner will certainly want to know about the
little hole where the drag mechanism goes, so I am putting it back on.
However, the key piece of the mechanism is a tiny little left-hand
thread stainless screw that I seem to have lost...I have all the other
parts in pristine condition.

I've contacted the manufacturer, and he does not make this reel any
more, nor does he have any parts lying around and did not have (or was
unwilling to locate) records of who made this part for him. I've also
been to about a half-dozen hardware stores and I always get the same
frustrating conversation:
"Don't have that. What's it for?"
"Its a drag mechanism off a fly reel."
"Oh, go to a fishing shop, then."

As if a fishing shop will have a random left hand stainless screw
lying about (I've checked about 10 fishing shops, and they tell me to
go to a hardware store.

So my question: where does someone go to find a tiny little screw like
this? I am imagining a shop that sells electronic parts, or maybe a
manufacturer of screws. But this is all a bit mysterious to me. The
screw is probably about 1mm across, about 3mm long, and left hand
thread. I don't even know the thread size...I need a shop that can
help me sort all this out. Ideas?

--riverman

It's going to be pretty hard to find a screw unless you know what size it is.
Based on your general description, I'd look for a 1.4mm, 0-80, and 1-72 (all
should be pretty easy to find) and see if they look about right, diameter-wise.
If they do, then you'll need to find them LH thread. *While the corner store
won't have them, a 'net search ought to turn them up. *The other alternative is
to find someone with a really complete set of taps (or a gauge set) and size the
hole. *And if they have the tap, likely as not, they'll have the die and can
make the screw. *They also may be able to retap the hole and supply a screw of
that size. *What they'll charge to do any of that is another matter. *If is
aluminum and you can easily get to it with a standard tap, you can probably do
it yourself - just get a slightly larger screw and matching tap. *I doubt that
Rolex will have such a large (in watchmaker's terms) screw, but a
watch/clockmaker (a repair shop, not a manufacturer) might. *If you want to try,
start out with a "calendar gear screw" (it's LH). *And even if that will work
and Rolex can supply it, you'd have to go through a dealer and I think the price
might, um, well, surprise you - it might be well over $50USD by the time you
have it sitting in front of you.

But here's the thing, IMO. *You've got an odd-ball reel by what amounts to a
no-name company who can't supply parts on something that apparently isn't all
that old OR even give the specs. *The only "Stealth" reel I'd ever heard of was
an Abu, so I Googled them. *If this:

WXW.stealth.co.za *(note munging on addy)

is the company, well, frankly, they seem like George's S. African cousins
(although I doubt they'll be carrying the Black *******...at least for very
long...). *Anyhoo, I'd say either keep the reel and use it, considering it a
lesson learned, or, sell the thing with full disclosure, and again, consider it
lesson learned. *Frankly, what's this thing worth on the market, even complete?
I mean, why spend $100USD in time and even $10USD in parts/work to fix a 50USD
reel that does work as-is, even if not quite as it left whatever low-bidding
factory made it?

TC,
R

Hmm, lots of points to consider. You have the right website, and yes,
there is a great degree of self-promotion and arrogance associated
with the company, but nonetheless, Stealth rods and reels are actually
quite acclaimed in South Africa, which (granted) represents a rather
closed and isolated market. That particular 'We are the Universe'
attitude is quite prevalent there. As is (with the drag mechanism in a
baggie and full disclosure), and to someone who knows the product, its
probably worth about $75, with the drag reattached about $25 or $30
more. To someone who doesn't know the product...I'm sure the value
would be about $75 or $100 less. Some people are hard to separate from
the affliction of brand name recognition. But its a tight little well-
made reel. I just don't have much use for it any more.

I see that Stealth now makes a "CAS-1" reel that looks to have the
same drag mechanism...at least from the pictures, so I've asked for
them to send me the center screw for that. Probably run me about 10
cents plus a stamp...we'll see. If that doesn't work, I might ask them
to just look in their records and send me the specs. Or maybe even
post on a SA fishing website and ask someone else who has this reel to
measure the thread count and tell me the specs. I am fairly certain
that this will be a standard LHT screw...it just makes no sense for
them to have custom-made something as straightforward as this for
their reel. My problem was mostly in finding a supply of tiny screws
to use for comparisons.

Anyway, as always...thanks for your input. The beat goes on...

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Do you know what kind of screw it is your looking for? *IE: *Round
head, flat head, pan head socket head, slotted, phillips or torqx?
If the hole is deep enough you can use a flat piece of nylon or other
plastic and thread it down the hole and accurately determine the pitch
and outside thread diameter. Cut the flat piece wih a truncated point
so it will start down the hole. Go as far as you can and then back it
out.
Metric threads are designate MXX-YY *where XX is the outside diameter
of the threads and YY is the pitch ( distance between threads. *If you
can identify for certain what it is you may have to order only once.
That is if you can find a source.
Then again it could be a Whitworth thread or even a Panzer thread.

...or screw a toothppick down and back and find one of those guys that
plays with the teeny-tiny metal working tools and have him make you
some.

cheers

oz

Any machine shops in your area? They should be able to very quickly
tell you the exact size of the screw, and tell you where you can get
one. As was mentioned, McMaster-Carr would be the first place I would
look. If you have to get one made, it will cost you more than the reel
is worth, unless you have a buddy who is a machinist/toolmaker.

On Jul 20, 8:42*am, riverman wrote:
On Jul 20, 4:09*pm, wrote:





On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 06:46:44 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:
In the vein of topic headings with double meanings....

I have a 4wt Stealth reel that I picked up in South Africa a handful
of years back. The drag mechanism was always problematic, so I took it
off and have been palming the reel, which works just fine and has
landed some very large fish (just ask Roger). However, I might want to
sell it, and a prospective owner will certainly want to know about the
little hole where the drag mechanism goes, so I am putting it back on.
However, the key piece of the mechanism is a tiny little left-hand
thread stainless screw that I seem to have lost...I have all the other
parts in pristine condition.

I've contacted the manufacturer, and he does not make this reel any
more, nor does he have any parts lying around and did not have (or was
unwilling to locate) records of who made this part for him. I've also
been to about a half-dozen hardware stores and I always get the same
frustrating conversation:
"Don't have that. What's it for?"
"Its a drag mechanism off a fly reel."
"Oh, go to a fishing shop, then."

As if a fishing shop will have a random left hand stainless screw
lying about (I've checked about 10 fishing shops, and they tell me to
go to a hardware store.

So my question: where does someone go to find a tiny little screw like
this? I am imagining a shop that sells electronic parts, or maybe a
manufacturer of screws. But this is all a bit mysterious to me. The
screw is probably about 1mm across, about 3mm long, and left hand
thread. I don't even know the thread size...I need a shop that can
help me sort all this out. Ideas?

--riverman

It's going to be pretty hard to find a screw unless you know what size it is.
Based on your general description, I'd look for a 1.4mm, 0-80, and 1-72 (all
should be pretty easy to find) and see if they look about right, diameter-wise.
If they do, then you'll need to find them LH thread. *While the corner store
won't have them, a 'net search ought to turn them up. *The other alternative is
to find someone with a really complete set of taps (or a gauge set) and size the
hole. *And if they have the tap, likely as not, they'll have the die and can
make the screw. *They also may be able to retap the hole and supply a screw of
that size. *What they'll charge to do any of that is another matter. *If is
aluminum and you can easily get to it with a standard tap, you can probably do
it yourself - just get a slightly larger screw and matching tap. *I doubt that
Rolex will have such a large (in watchmaker's terms) screw, but a
watch/clockmaker (a repair shop, not a manufacturer) might. *If you want to try,
start out with a "calendar gear screw" (it's LH). *And even if that will work
and Rolex can supply it, you'd have to go through a dealer and I think the price
might, um, well, surprise you - it might be well over $50USD by the time you
have it sitting in front of you.

But here's the thing, IMO. *You've got an odd-ball reel by what amounts to a
no-name company who can't supply parts on something that apparently isn't all
that old OR even give the specs. *The only "Stealth" reel I'd ever heard of was
an Abu, so I Googled them. *If this:

WXW.stealth.co.za *(note munging on addy)

is the company, well, frankly, they seem like George's S. African cousins
(although I doubt they'll be carrying the Black *******...at least for very
long...). *Anyhoo, I'd say either keep the reel and use it, considering it a
lesson learned, or, sell the thing with full disclosure, and again, consider it
lesson learned. *Frankly, what's this thing worth on the market, even complete?
I mean, why spend $100USD in time and even $10USD in parts/work to fix a 50USD
reel that does work as-is, even if not quite as it left whatever low-bidding
factory made it?

TC,
R

Hmm, lots of points to consider. You have the right website, and yes,
there is a great degree of self-promotion and arrogance associated
with the company, but nonetheless, Stealth rods and reels are actually
quite acclaimed in South Africa, which (granted) represents a rather
closed and isolated market. That particular 'We are the Universe'
attitude is quite prevalent there. As is (with the drag mechanism in a
baggie and full disclosure), and to someone who knows the product, its
probably worth about $75, with the drag reattached about $25 or $30
more. To someone who doesn't know the product...I'm sure the value
would be about $75 or $100 less. Some people are hard to separate from
the affliction of brand name recognition. But its a tight little well-
made reel. I just don't have much use for it any more.

I see that Stealth now makes a "CAS-1" reel that looks to have the
same drag mechanism...at least from the pictures, so I've asked for
them to send me the center screw for that. Probably run me about 10
cents plus a stamp...we'll see. If that doesn't work, I might ask them
to just look in their records and send me the specs. Or maybe even
post on a SA fishing website and ask someone else who has this reel to
measure the thread count and tell me the specs. I am fairly certain
that this will be a standard LHT screw...it just makes no sense for
them to have custom-made something as straightforward as this for
their reel. My problem was mostly in finding a supply of tiny screws
to use for comparisons.

Anyway, as always...thanks for your input. The beat goes on...

--riverman- Hide quoted text -

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I don't think they Stealth would have had a unique design and
manufacture a reel for that small of a market. Some of the reels on
their website look very familiar. If you look at your reel and start
looking at catalogs you may find the very same reel made by someone
else. One of the reels on their website looked like an Okuma I was
going to buy once. 90%+ of reeks are made in china why not the
Stealth? Stealth probably refers to the way they got into the
country.

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:54:20 -0700 (PDT), BJConner wrote:



I don't think they Stealth would have had a unique design and
manufacture a reel for that small of a market. Some of the reels on
their website look very familiar. If you look at your reel and start
looking at catalogs you may find the very same reel made by someone
else. One of the reels on their website looked like an Okuma I was
going to buy once. 90%+ of reeks are made in china why not the
Stealth?

Stealth probably refers to the way they got into the
country.

Well, that's one guess - mine would be that Stealth is the mode the company goes
into when asked for a part for something not currently being foisted on
unsuspecting Rivermen...

Geez, it's like Apple - our **** is the best, you can only get parts for about 5
minutes after we **** you with it and then, only from us if we choose to offer
any, and if it doesn't work, it's clearly your fault because you don't know how
to hold it, you idiot...hmmm....I wonder if Jobs and George had a baby and hid
it away in S. Africa - say, Myron, these ****ers don't sell over-priced
computers and MP3 players, silly-assed "reading devices" and crappy phones, too,
do they...?

TC,
R

On Jul 21, 5:23*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:54:20 -0700 (PDT), BJConner wrote:

I don't think they Stealth would have had a unique design and
manufacture a reel *for that small of a market. *Some of the reels on
their website look very familiar. *If you look at your reel and start
looking at catalogs you may find the very same reel made by someone
else. *One of the reels on their website looked like an Okuma I was
going to buy once. *90%+ of reeks are made in china why not the
Stealth? *
Stealth probably refers to the way they got into the
country.

Well, that's one guess - mine would be that Stealth is the mode the company goes
into when asked for a part for something not currently being foisted on
unsuspecting Rivermen...

Geez, it's like Apple - our **** is the best, you can only get parts for about 5
minutes after we **** you with it and then, only from us if we choose to offer
any, and if it doesn't work, it's clearly your fault because you don't know how
to hold it, you idiot...hmmm....I wonder if Jobs and George had a baby and hid
it away in S. Africa - say, Myron, these ****ers don't sell over-priced
computers and MP3 players, silly-assed "reading devices" and crappy phones, too,
do they...?

TC,
R

Umm, no, and your Xenophobia is showing through.

--riverman

Did anyone notice that the discussion about the screw is much, much
longer than the screw itself? Kinda like when I was dating.
Frank Reid

On Jul 19, 8:46*am, riverman wrote:

...So my question: where does someone go to find a tiny little screw like
this?

If you want tiny oddball left hand screws, go to people who deal in
tiny oddball left hand screws......people who deal with small
rotational mechanical and electro/mechanical mechanisms.....

R/C planes, cars, boats
Model railroad stuff
Bicycle derailleurs
Home appliances.....microwave ovens, washers, driers, clocks, etc.
Electrical timers and thermostats, etc......furnaces, air
conditioners, fans, sump pumps.
Anything with more or less complicated geartrains.....sorters,
pickers, shellers, crackers, reapers, winnowers, etc.

One thing is as certain as things get in this world.....the
manufacturers of that reel did NOT! invent a new screw. Never, under
ANY circumstances, let anyone convince you that manufacturers are as
stupid as politicians, economists, corporate executives, doctors,
engineers, architects, post-modernists, theologians, literary critics,
self-help authors, city planners, generals, colonels, majors,
captains, admirals, captains, commanders, lieutenant commanders,
chiefs, commentators, producers, managing editors, artists, actors,
athletes, mathematicians, meth addicts, methodists, meteorologists,
coke freaks, christians.....or crackers.

NEVER!!

seriously.

giles