Portable Generator for Camper

On Jan 10, 8:55*pm, Giles wrote:
On Jan 10, 3:33*pm, personaobscura
wrote:





On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 12:35:10 -0800 (PST), DaveS wrote:
Suggestions and experience welcome. I need a smaller generator for use
with my camper. The Camper is a lance 825, no AC. I presently cart in
a couple of marine 12 volt batteries. With use confined to lights I am
good for 4 nites on one fully charged battery. I want to be able to
run the occasional power drill, recharge 12 volt bats, and some small
appliances, like radio, dvd , maybe a small power saw, maybe a small
ceramic heater.

Brand and model Suggestions? How to Plug in to Camper panal? Noise?

Did I read once that your property is on a river?

If that's true, could you find a site - or pipe from your high point down to
one - and develop enough head to run a generator?

If I'm mis-remembering, my apologies.

Hm.....

Forgive the seeming impertenance but.....um.....does damming a trout
stream for the convenience of using an electric latte frother REALLY
seem like a good idea? * * *

g.
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If it was to run a Bass-O-Matic, would that be alright? I mean, after
all, it is a bass.
Frank Reid

On Jan 10, 9:09*pm, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:
On Jan 10, 8:55*pm, Giles wrote:





On Jan 10, 3:33*pm, personaobscura
wrote:

On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 12:35:10 -0800 (PST), DaveS wrote:
Suggestions and experience welcome. I need a smaller generator for use
with my camper. The Camper is a lance 825, no AC. I presently cart in
a couple of marine 12 volt batteries. With use confined to lights I am
good for 4 nites on one fully charged battery. I want to be able to
run the occasional power drill, recharge 12 volt bats, and some small
appliances, like radio, dvd , maybe a small power saw, maybe a small
ceramic heater.

Brand and model Suggestions? How to Plug in to Camper panal? Noise?

Did I read once that your property is on a river?

If that's true, could you find a site - or pipe from your high point down to
one - and develop enough head to run a generator?

If I'm mis-remembering, my apologies.

Hm.....

Forgive the seeming impertenance but.....um.....does damming a trout
stream for the convenience of using an electric latte frother REALLY
seem like a good idea? * * *

g.
i mean, sucking the sun dry OUGHT TO be just about enough, ainna?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If it was to run a Bass-O-Matic, would that be alright? *I mean, after
all, it is a bass.
Frank Reid-

Can't see any problem with that.

giles
who knows that a trout stream ain't worth a small hill of **** to a
bass nohow.

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 18:55:01 -0800 (PST), Giles wrote:

On Jan 10, 3:33*pm, personaobscura
wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 12:35:10 -0800 (PST), DaveS wrote:
Suggestions and experience welcome. I need a smaller generator for use
with my camper. The Camper is a lance 825, no AC. I presently cart in
a couple of marine 12 volt batteries. With use confined to lights I am
good for 4 nites on one fully charged battery. I want to be able to
run the occasional power drill, recharge 12 volt bats, and some small
appliances, like radio, dvd , maybe a small power saw, maybe a small
ceramic heater.

Brand and model Suggestions? How to Plug in to Camper panal? Noise?

Did I read once that your property is on a river?

If that's true, could you find a site - or pipe from your high point down to
one - and develop enough head to run a generator?

If I'm mis-remembering, my apologies.

Hm.....

Forgive the seeming impertenance but.....um.....does damming a trout
stream for the convenience of using an electric latte frother REALLY
seem like a good idea?

g.
i mean, sucking the sun dry OUGHT TO be just about enough, ainna?

Cripes, he wasn't planning on siting a smelter on the back 40, was he?

It wouldn't take much to manage a tiny trailer. If he does have a stream that
has a decent drop somewhere on his property he might be able to site a
generator that can quietly run his latte frother, a couple of lights, and keep
a set of batteries charged up, without altering the run of the river at all.

On Jan 10, 9:15*pm, personaobscura
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 18:55:01 -0800 (PST), Giles wrote:
On Jan 10, 3:33*pm, personaobscura
wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 12:35:10 -0800 (PST), DaveS wrote:
Suggestions and experience welcome. I need a smaller generator for use
with my camper. The Camper is a lance 825, no AC. I presently cart in
a couple of marine 12 volt batteries. With use confined to lights I am
good for 4 nites on one fully charged battery. I want to be able to
run the occasional power drill, recharge 12 volt bats, and some small
appliances, like radio, dvd , maybe a small power saw, maybe a small
ceramic heater.

Brand and model Suggestions? How to Plug in to Camper panal? Noise?

Did I read once that your property is on a river?

If that's true, could you find a site - or pipe from your high point down to
one - and develop enough head to run a generator?

If I'm mis-remembering, my apologies.

Hm.....

Forgive the seeming impertenance but.....um.....does damming a trout
stream for the convenience of using an electric latte frother REALLY
seem like a good idea? * * *

g.
i mean, sucking the sun dry OUGHT TO be just about enough, ainna?

Cripes, he wasn't planning on siting a smelter on the back 40, was he?

He? Um.....just who is it you thought was asking about the
possibility of installing a hydroelectric generator?

It wouldn't take much to manage a tiny trailer. If he does have a stream that
has a decent drop somewhere on his property he might be able to site a
generator that can quietly run his latte frother, a couple of lights, and keep
a set of batteries charged up, without altering the run of the river at all.

Well, you couldn't possibly be more wrong. ANY diversion from ANY
stream (yes, even the great rivers of the world, like the Amazon or
the west fork of the Kickapoo) necessarily alters "the run of the
river" even if ALL of the water is returned, which is almost never the
case. To put it more simply, alterations change things. Sorta self-
evident, ainna? Should be. But then, stupid happens.

Leaving aside the obvious latter observation (for the nonce, anyway)
what do you suppose happens when 100.....1,000.....1,000,000 people
living along a stream decide to divert just a bit to charge up a
couple of lights and keep a set of batteries charged up, without
altering the run of the river at all? Your math says absolutely
nothing happens. How about a hundred million?.....a billion?
Hm.....let's see.....naught times naught is naught.....carry the
naught.....um.....yep, tha'ts right jethro.....NOTHING happens.

See what I mean?

Stupid happens.

g.

On Jan 10, 1:33*pm, personaobscura
wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 12:35:10 -0800 (PST), DaveS wrote:
Suggestions and experience welcome. I need a smaller generator for use
with my camper. The Camper is a lance 825, no AC. I presently cart in
a couple of marine 12 volt batteries. With use confined to lights I am
good for 4 nites on one fully charged battery. I want to be able to
run the occasional power drill, recharge 12 volt bats, and some small
appliances, like radio, dvd , maybe a small power saw, maybe a small
ceramic heater.

Brand and model Suggestions? How to Plug in to Camper panal? Noise?

Did I read once that your property is on a river?

If that's true, could you find a site - or pipe from your high point down to
one - and develop enough head to run a generator?

If I'm mis-remembering, my apologies.

Fair question, In my natal NJ a great pleasure was crawling about old
mills and water powered industrial-a-fluvial. Mill ponds and spillways
are rare in the West compared to the rest of the USA. So I am not a
black or white partisan on the riverine environmental affronted
debate. So, yes my place is on a smaller trib river and the gradient
is sufficient to do a small generator,

HOWEVER, this is in a Western ag region where all the water is "spoken
for" in water rights dating back to pioneer days. Consequently, any
pipe even near the water had better have a metered right to be there.
And then there is all that enviro stuff. ;+))

.. . . like, the river has a small run of Steelhead, ditto for a few
of the salmons, cutts and a listed population of Dolly Varden Trout.
(or is it Bull Trout?). To protect fry, each takeout pipe must have
very expensive screens. The Native American Tribes, inland, on the
Columbia, and on the coast all want the fish to get their share of the
water. As do the legions of govt, the contractors, the loggers, the
BPA, most of the farmers, etc etc ME, and the commercial fishers out
on the Coast. Bottom-line . . . it's a non-starter no matter how
trivial. Death from a thousand cuts theory?

Major Wind is a big deal near my place. And there is a little solar
including one setup w/ three big panel banks, in a tilled field, up
about 10' on 3 pylons, and the damn things follow the sun. It looks
like i could get a decent 160 watt panel and electronics for about
$1000.

DaveS wrote:
On Jan 10, 1:33 pm, personaobscura
wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 12:35:10 -0800 (PST), DaveS wrote:
Suggestions and experience welcome. I need a smaller generator for use
with my camper. The Camper is a lance 825, no AC. I presently cart in
a couple of marine 12 volt batteries. With use confined to lights I am
good for 4 nites on one fully charged battery. I want to be able to
run the occasional power drill, recharge 12 volt bats, and some small
appliances, like radio, dvd , maybe a small power saw, maybe a small
ceramic heater.
Brand and model Suggestions? How to Plug in to Camper panal? Noise?
Did I read once that your property is on a river?

If that's true, could you find a site - or pipe from your high point down to
one - and develop enough head to run a generator?

If I'm mis-remembering, my apologies.

Fair question, In my natal NJ a great pleasure was crawling about old
mills and water powered industrial-a-fluvial. Mill ponds and spillways
are rare in the West compared to the rest of the USA. So I am not a
black or white partisan on the riverine environmental affronted
debate. So, yes my place is on a smaller trib river and the gradient
is sufficient to do a small generator,

HOWEVER, this is in a Western ag region where all the water is "spoken
for" in water rights dating back to pioneer days. Consequently, any
pipe even near the water had better have a metered right to be there.
And then there is all that enviro stuff. ;+))

. . . like, the river has a small run of Steelhead, ditto for a few
of the salmons, cutts and a listed population of Dolly Varden Trout.
(or is it Bull Trout?). To protect fry, each takeout pipe must have
very expensive screens. The Native American Tribes, inland, on the
Columbia, and on the coast all want the fish to get their share of the
water. As do the legions of govt, the contractors, the loggers, the
BPA, most of the farmers, etc etc ME, and the commercial fishers out
on the Coast. Bottom-line . . . it's a non-starter no matter how
trivial. Death from a thousand cuts theory?

Major Wind is a big deal near my place. And there is a little solar
including one setup w/ three big panel banks, in a tilled field, up
about 10' on 3 pylons, and the damn things follow the sun. It looks
like i could get a decent 160 watt panel and electronics for about
$1000.


How about an undershot wheel hung in the river on a cantilever arm? Not
real efficient but if you have enough flow they do work.


--
Steve W.
(\___/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

On Jan 11, 4:04*am, "Steve W." wrote:
DaveS wrote:
On Jan 10, 1:33 pm, personaobscura
wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 12:35:10 -0800 (PST), DaveS wrote:
Suggestions and experience welcome. I need a smaller generator for use
with my camper. The Camper is a lance 825, no AC. I presently cart in
a couple of marine 12 volt batteries. With use confined to lights I am
good for 4 nites on one fully charged battery. I want to be able to
run the occasional power drill, recharge 12 volt bats, and some small
appliances, like radio, dvd , maybe a small power saw, maybe a small
ceramic heater.
Brand and model Suggestions? How to Plug in to Camper panal? Noise?
Did I read once that your property is on a river?

If that's true, could you find a site - or pipe from your high point down to
one - and develop enough head to run a generator?

If I'm mis-remembering, my apologies.

Fair question, In my natal NJ a great pleasure was crawling about old
mills and water powered industrial-a-fluvial. Mill ponds and spillways
are rare in the West compared to the rest of the USA. *So I am not a
black or white partisan on the riverine environmental affronted
debate. So, yes my place is on a smaller trib river and the gradient
is sufficient to do a small generator,

HOWEVER, this is in a Western ag region where all the water is "spoken
for" in water rights dating back to pioneer days. *Consequently, any
pipe even near the water had better have a metered right to be there.
And then there is all that enviro stuff. ;+))

. . . like, * the river has a small run of Steelhead, ditto for a few
of the salmons, cutts and a listed population of Dolly Varden Trout.
(or is it Bull Trout?). To protect fry, each takeout pipe must have
very expensive screens. The Native American Tribes, inland, on the
Columbia, and on the coast all want the fish to get their share of the
water. As do the legions of govt, the contractors, the loggers, the
BPA, most of the farmers, etc etc ME, and the commercial fishers out
on the Coast. Bottom-line . . . it's a non-starter no matter how
trivial. Death from a thousand cuts theory?

Major Wind is a big deal near my place. And there is a little solar
including one setup w/ three big panel banks, in a tilled field, up
about 10' on 3 pylons, and the damn things follow the sun. It looks
like i could get a decent 160 watt panel and electronics for about
$1000.

How about an undershot wheel hung in the river on a cantilever arm? Not
real efficient but if you have enough flow they do work.

--
Steve W.
(\___/)
(='.'=)
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On the negative side that cantilever arm would take about 6 years to
get the necessary permits. On the positive side the process of getting
the permits etc would provide 6 yrs of well paid employment for at
least a half dozen ArmChair Experts, govt and contractor variety. I am
exaggerating, and I know you are joking, but the truth is I have a
limited taste for "process" these days.

I much prefer to work with enviro NGOs and neighbor farmers, although
FSA is pretty easy to work with on the ag side of things. Virtually
all the environmentally sound things ive done and the income to do
them comes from advise and support of neighbor farmers, a local enviro
group, a state water trust, and the FSA of the DO Ag. The mistakes
have been mine.

Dave