Fishing Scotland

That is very true. In the US, aside from many questions about stream access
and trespassing, once you can get into the stream the state owns the fish
and can give you a license to take them. My understanding is that in the
UK, the land and the fish are private. As noted below, everywhere you fish
requires a permit. While this may seem quite a hassle, there are many
instances where you can buy a week long permit for a river of some size for
not too much money.

"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:q09Qb.6743$_H5.5434@lakeread06...
i take it from your note that it isn't permitted to simply buy a fishing
license and then go exploring for a stream where one can fish as desired
without a guide or payment for the privilege?

jeff

pmfpa wrote:


http://www.fishing-scotland.co.uk/rosguide.htm. You might want to get
that.
I was happy to see that there are many lochs and rivers where a day of
fishing could be taken for less than 10 pounds, but you certainly need
to
get the right permits. Everything you may need is in the guide.

In article .net,
pmfpa wrote:

That is very true. In the US, aside from many questions about stream access
and trespassing, once you can get into the stream the state owns the fish
and can give you a license to take them.

Sounds like pinko liberal communism to me.

My understanding is that in the
UK, the land and the fish are private.

Yessir. The Uk's a land of free enterprise and opportunity for all.

At least the US appoints its head of state in the same way as the Brits
do, and appoints the vastly wealthy son of a previous head of state,
rather than the socialist notion of taking someone who's won the most
votes at an election.

Neither Charles nor George W may be very bright, but who cares?

(And incidentally Charles, who as well as being Prince of Wales is also
Duke of Cornwall, charges very reasonable rates for his Duchy of
Cornwall waters, which include wonderful fishing on Dartmoor -- Hound
of the Baskervilles territory. )

Lazarus

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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004, Lazarus Cooke wrote:

And incidentally Charles, who as well as being Prince of Wales is also
Duke of Cornwall, charges very reasonable rates for his Duchy of
Cornwall waters, which include wonderful fishing on Dartmoor

chuckle

Mu

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 at 21:21:19 in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly pmfpa wrote:
My understanding is that in the UK, the land and the fish are private.

Not quite... It's complicated..! And the position is not the same
throughout the UK (England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland). And the
Republic of Ireland is completely different.

In England and Wales the fishing rights in most waters are privately
owned - usually as a result of a grant by the crown to some ******* who
trampled over the land and subdued the natives almost a thousand years
ago [1].

There are exceptions, such as some tidal waters, where there's a public
right to fish. But normally the presumption is that the owner of the
bank owns the fishing rights to the middle line. But fishing rights can
be (and often are) separated from ownership of land. In many areas the
fishing rights have been acquired by clubs for their members. Fishing
is usually available in most areas for a modest fee, but it's necessary
to make enquiries and get permission. It's not a good idea to fish
without seeking permission.

The fish themselves (in running water) belong to no-one. But it's an
offence to fish in private waters.

As noted below, everywhere you fish requires a permit.

"Permit" is the word usually used to describe the permission obtained
from the owner of the fishing rights. It's different from and
additional to the "rod licence" which everyone has to obtain from the
Environment Agency before fishing anywhere.

While this may seem quite a hassle, there are many instances where
you can buy a week long permit for a river of some size for not too
much money.

Yes. Seek and ye shall find. Google the area and ask in
uk.rec.fishing.game


The legal position in Scotland is explained at
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/?pageID=99


[1] The rights on my local river can be traced back to a grant by King
John in 1203 to one of his Norman cronies. :-(

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"Nogood Boyo" wrote in message
...

(snip)

In England and Wales the fishing rights in most waters are privately
owned - usually as a result of a grant by the crown to some ******* who
trampled over the land and subdued the natives almost a thousand years
ago [1].

(snip)

[1] The rights on my local river can be traced back to a grant by King
John in 1203 to one of his Norman cronies. :-(



Sounds to me like the British Empire needs to suffer defeat from another
Revolution. One by it's own citizens!!

A good many salmon rivers here in Eastern Canada have privately owned
sections that were accorded to families when Canada was first colonized.

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"Nogood Boyo" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 at 21:21:19 in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly pmfpa wrote:
My understanding is that in the UK, the land and the fish are private.

Not quite... It's complicated..! And the position is not the same
throughout the UK (England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland). And the
Republic of Ireland is completely different.

In England and Wales the fishing rights in most waters are privately
owned - usually as a result of a grant by the crown to some ******* who
trampled over the land and subdued the natives almost a thousand years
ago [1].

There are exceptions, such as some tidal waters, where there's a public
right to fish. But normally the presumption is that the owner of the
bank owns the fishing rights to the middle line. But fishing rights can
be (and often are) separated from ownership of land. In many areas the
fishing rights have been acquired by clubs for their members. Fishing
is usually available in most areas for a modest fee, but it's necessary
to make enquiries and get permission. It's not a good idea to fish
without seeking permission.

The fish themselves (in running water) belong to no-one. But it's an
offence to fish in private waters.

As noted below, everywhere you fish requires a permit.

"Permit" is the word usually used to describe the permission obtained
from the owner of the fishing rights. It's different from and
additional to the "rod licence" which everyone has to obtain from the
Environment Agency before fishing anywhere.

While this may seem quite a hassle, there are many instances where
you can buy a week long permit for a river of some size for not too
much money.

Yes. Seek and ye shall find. Google the area and ask in
uk.rec.fishing.game


The legal position in Scotland is explained at
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/?pageID=99


[1] The rights on my local river can be traced back to a grant by King
John in 1203 to one of his Norman cronies. :-(

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Nogood Boyo

Michael McCaugherty wrote:
G'day,

There is the possibility that I may be in Scotland this May. Would
there be any advice out there about the possibility of wetting a line
in the land of Robbie Burns?

I am planning to give fly fishing a try this summer. Would taking an
inaugural fly fishing expedition in the highlands be asking too much?

Michael

Where do I start!!

When in May and where are you staying?

Try here for places to fish.

http://www.where-to-fish.com/content/2d.html

Click on the link below for the legal bit.

http://www.flyfish-scotland.com/scotslaw.htm

Now that we have got that out of the way it really isn't that difficult to
find free/cheap fishing as long as you know where to go. You mentioned the
highlands, I have a weeks camping/fishing trip to the highlands every year
in May, and it has never cost more than £100/$180us and that includes
travel.

I have fished Attadale, great if you don't mind the 13 mile walk to most of
the lochs, which is free, Lochinver, £30 for a weeks fishing on approx. 150
lochs, Kilmelford, used to be £25 for the weeks fishing but may be higher
now, which has approx 20 lochs.

If you want to read more of these places go to my website and click on the
links in the navigation bar.

If you can supply me with a bit more information I may be able to put
something together for you, can't promise though


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Sandy
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I live in Glasgow and have fished most areas of Scotland , where are you
going and what are you fishing for trout or salmon. I am a trout man but I
can put you in touch with salmon info if required.

Jim
"Sandy" wrote in message
...
Michael McCaugherty wrote:
G'day,

There is the possibility that I may be in Scotland this May. Would
there be any advice out there about the possibility of wetting a line
in the land of Robbie Burns?

I am planning to give fly fishing a try this summer. Would taking an
inaugural fly fishing expedition in the highlands be asking too much?

Michael

Where do I start!!

When in May and where are you staying?

Try here for places to fish.

http://www.where-to-fish.com/content/2d.html

Click on the link below for the legal bit.

http://www.flyfish-scotland.com/scotslaw.htm

Now that we have got that out of the way it really isn't that difficult to
find free/cheap fishing as long as you know where to go. You mentioned the
highlands, I have a weeks camping/fishing trip to the highlands every year
in May, and it has never cost more than £100/$180us and that includes
travel.

I have fished Attadale, great if you don't mind the 13 mile walk to most
of
the lochs, which is free, Lochinver, £30 for a weeks fishing on approx.
150
lochs, Kilmelford, used to be £25 for the weeks fishing but may be higher
now, which has approx 20 lochs.

If you want to read more of these places go to my website and click on the
links in the navigation bar.

If you can supply me with a bit more information I may be able to put
something together for you, can't promise though


--
Don`t Worry, Be Happy

Sandy
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E-Mail:-
Website:- http://www.ftscotland.co.uk
IRC:- Sandyb in #rabble uk3.arcnet.vapor.com Port:6667
#Rabble Channel Website:- http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/rabbled
ICQ : 41266150