Senko's

And I was right there with you guys when it came to using senko's. Nothing
but the real thing, maybe a lot of it is confidence but a 50 pack of wacko's
will produce the same amount of fish as a 50 pack of senkos on my boat, and
I don't care who you are. Is there a time and place for originals? Yes,
Burger King, Pepsi, Breyers Ice Creame, You bet. But soft plastics at 60
cents a piece? Not in my lifetime, not when there are others that produce
just as good at half the cost. Maybe if I was more of a recreational angler
I would just stick with the senkos, But I can easily lose/use 70 of these a
week and at 60 cents each thats $42.00. This obsession of mine is not cheap
to begin with, never mind an additional 20-40 bucks a week for rubber worms.
Just my two cents...ok more like 4 cents : -0






"Thundercat" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 14:27:38 -0400, "go-bassn"
wrote:

Something to think about Zimmy - as much as you like bass fishing, just
how
much is a 100-fish-day worth to you? Would you pay $60 if I guaranteed
you
a century day?

What Mr Rickard is saying makes perfect sense (as usual). $7
spinnerbaits
that hammer fish are a relative bargain, as are 60-cent plastics that
kick
butt.

There are a bunch of guys making imitation Senko's, but do you think Mr
Yamamoto is worried?

I think not. As for me, I'll keep shelling out my $60/100 for the real
McCoy ;-)

Warren

Randy and Dave laughed at me today because I still fish Gary's product
and haven't switched to the Wacko.

I'm sure there are a few reasons I haven't switched to one of the
knock-off sticks yet. Firstly, it's one of the few things in which I
have brand loyalty. Along with Shimano reels, St. Croix rods (and/or
blanks), Secret Weapon spinnerbaits and Lunker City Fin-S Fish. Simply
the best at what they are and what they do IMO.

Secondly, I have tried many of the knock-off sticks and simply I
haven't found any that do the job any better than the real Senko.

Lastly is confidence. I believe in them.

$5.98 for a pack of worms? Heck yeah. For every ten pack I can
reasonably expect to catch 3-4 fish (or more). Sounds like a bargain
to me!

Harry J aka Thundercat
Brooklyn Bill's Tackle Shop Fishing Team
http://www.geocities.com/brooklynbill2003/products.html
Share the knowledge, compete on execution.

Randy buddy, you couldn't be more of a recreational angler! In fact, based
on your stories & photos, you might just be the ultimate recreational angler
:-)

I'm looking forward to doing some recreational angling alongside you soon
buddy.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/
http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com



"alwaysfishking" wrote in message
...


And I was right there with you guys when it came to using senko's. Nothing
but the real thing, maybe a lot of it is confidence but a 50 pack of
wacko's
will produce the same amount of fish as a 50 pack of senkos on my boat,
and
I don't care who you are. Is there a time and place for originals? Yes,
Burger King, Pepsi, Breyers Ice Creame, You bet. But soft plastics at 60
cents a piece? Not in my lifetime, not when there are others that produce
just as good at half the cost. Maybe if I was more of a recreational
angler
I would just stick with the senkos, But I can easily lose/use 70 of these
a
week and at 60 cents each thats $42.00. This obsession of mine is not
cheap
to begin with, never mind an additional 20-40 bucks a week for rubber
worms.
Just my two cents...ok more like 4 cents : -0






"Thundercat" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 14:27:38 -0400, "go-bassn"
wrote:

Something to think about Zimmy - as much as you like bass fishing, just
how
much is a 100-fish-day worth to you? Would you pay $60 if I guaranteed
you
a century day?

What Mr Rickard is saying makes perfect sense (as usual). $7
spinnerbaits
that hammer fish are a relative bargain, as are 60-cent plastics that
kick
butt.

There are a bunch of guys making imitation Senko's, but do you think Mr
Yamamoto is worried?

I think not. As for me, I'll keep shelling out my $60/100 for the real
McCoy ;-)

Warren

Randy and Dave laughed at me today because I still fish Gary's product
and haven't switched to the Wacko.

I'm sure there are a few reasons I haven't switched to one of the
knock-off sticks yet. Firstly, it's one of the few things in which I
have brand loyalty. Along with Shimano reels, St. Croix rods (and/or
blanks), Secret Weapon spinnerbaits and Lunker City Fin-S Fish. Simply
the best at what they are and what they do IMO.

Secondly, I have tried many of the knock-off sticks and simply I
haven't found any that do the job any better than the real Senko.

Lastly is confidence. I believe in them.

$5.98 for a pack of worms? Heck yeah. For every ten pack I can
reasonably expect to catch 3-4 fish (or more). Sounds like a bargain
to me!

Harry J aka Thundercat
Brooklyn Bill's Tackle Shop Fishing Team
http://www.geocities.com/brooklynbill2003/products.html
Share the knowledge, compete on execution.

On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:36:51 -0400, "alwaysfishking"
wrote:

snip
Just my two cents...ok more like 4 cents : -0


7 fish vs 6 fish...Nuff sed bucko!

Seriously though, Wacko's just never produced for me. It all boils
down to confidence.


Harry J aka Thundercat
Brooklyn Bill's Tackle Shop Fishing Team
http://www.geocities.com/brooklynbill2003/products.html
Share the knowledge, compete on execution.

"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
Something to think about Zimmy - as much as you like bass fishing, just
how
much is a 100-fish-day worth to you? Would you pay $60 if I guaranteed
you
a century day?

What Mr Rickard is saying makes perfect sense (as usual). $7 spinnerbaits
that hammer fish are a relative bargain, as are 60-cent plastics that kick
butt.

There are a bunch of guys making imitation Senko's, but do you think Mr
Yamamoto is worried?

I think not. As for me, I'll keep shelling out my $60/100 for the real
McCoy ;-)

Warren, interesting post, but it proves very little. Sure, I'd pay $60 for a
100-fish day, but that doesn't mean that a 100-fish day can't be had for
$30.

And yes, a $7 spinnerbait that hammers fish is a relative bargain, but that
doesn't mean that there isn't a $4 spinnerbait that hammers fish and is even
a greater bargain.

Gary might not be worried because he's a marketing genius, but that doesn't
mean there aren't knockoffs that are just as good.

Naturally, you and me and everyone has to use what we have confidence in.
Even though I use Yum Dingers at times, and think they're just as effective,
I still use Senkos when I'm serious, because I'd have that nagging little
thought about whether I could do better with the original. But not everyone
has my insecurities.

I caught my best bass today on a Senko. Of course I can't prove it, but I'm
confident that any number of baits in the same place at the same time would
have caught that fish.

You're so right Marty. I wasn't trying to prove anything, just stating my
opinion. Congrats on your big fish!

Warren

"Marty" wrote in message
...

"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
Something to think about Zimmy - as much as you like bass fishing, just
how
much is a 100-fish-day worth to you? Would you pay $60 if I guaranteed
you
a century day?

What Mr Rickard is saying makes perfect sense (as usual). $7
spinnerbaits
that hammer fish are a relative bargain, as are 60-cent plastics that
kick
butt.

There are a bunch of guys making imitation Senko's, but do you think Mr
Yamamoto is worried?

I think not. As for me, I'll keep shelling out my $60/100 for the real
McCoy ;-)

Warren, interesting post, but it proves very little. Sure, I'd pay $60 for
a
100-fish day, but that doesn't mean that a 100-fish day can't be had for
$30.

And yes, a $7 spinnerbait that hammers fish is a relative bargain, but
that
doesn't mean that there isn't a $4 spinnerbait that hammers fish and is
even
a greater bargain.

Gary might not be worried because he's a marketing genius, but that
doesn't
mean there aren't knockoffs that are just as good.

Naturally, you and me and everyone has to use what we have confidence in.
Even though I use Yum Dingers at times, and think they're just as
effective,
I still use Senkos when I'm serious, because I'd have that nagging little
thought about whether I could do better with the original. But not
everyone
has my insecurities.

I caught my best bass today on a Senko. Of course I can't prove it, but
I'm
confident that any number of baits in the same place at the same time
would
have caught that fish.

"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
You're so right Marty. I wasn't trying to prove anything, just stating my
opinion. Congrats on your big fish!

Thank you Warren. It wasn't a big fish by most standards, but I've never had
a five-pounder and, in the height of cruelty, the fishing gods made my scale
stop when it hit 4-15. She was about 22" and about 1.5# light for the length
based on our length-weight charts, even though she appeared to be normally
proportioned.

Something to think about Zimmy - as much as you like bass fishing, just how
much is a 100-fish-day worth to you? Would you pay $60 if I guaranteed you
a century day?


Don't get me wrong - I love senkos. Its probably the single lure that I have
the most confidence in. And I love the wide selection of colors available.
But the fact is, I just don't have an extra $60 to spend every time I go
fishing. Lucky for me I don't catch very many fish so a pack of senkos lasts
for a couple of outings.

-Zimmy

One way to make Senko's last longer is use fine wire hooks of a smaller
size. I typically use 1/0 and 2/0 hooks (Gamakatsu) and when I read
about other anglers, I'll hear 3/0 - 5/0 hook sizes being used.......

I had a day on a lake filled with dinks where I caught 30 small (6 - 9
inch bass) and 3 legal bass and I used less than 10 Senkos -- and all
were caught on Senkos.

Being gentle with your casts helps -- and as a final resort, turning
them around and t-rigging them through the thin end.


I have read about -- dont have one yet -- a small battery powered
"welder" that will melt plastics together, too.


In G. M. Zimmermann wrote:
Something to think about Zimmy - as much as you like bass fishing,
just how much is a 100-fish-day worth to you? Would you pay $60 if I
guaranteed you a century day?

Don't get me wrong - I love senkos. Its probably the single lure that
I have the most confidence in. And I love the wide selection of
colors available. But the fact is, I just don't have an extra $60 to
spend every time I go fishing. Lucky for me I don't catch very many
fish so a pack of senkos lasts for a couple of outings.

-Zimmy

wrote:

I have read about -- dont have one yet -- a small battery powered
"welder" that will melt plastics together, too.



Soft plastic bait material can easily be welded, just heat both ends,,
even with a cig lighter, and push together, I have one of those high
dollar plastic welding machines (110V), but most of the time I just use
a lighter. This technique is even used by lure designers, it is quick
and easy, so no mold is needed in the preliminary testing, they just cut
up other baits, and weld them to make a new one.

The next step is a single cavity pour mold, then plastic is heated in a
microwave oven then hand poured into the mold, this gives you enough
lures exactly the same, that can be field tested, before spending 5 to
10 thousand on a production mold

For your information
A single soft plastic bait cost from 1 to 3 cents each to manufacture,
regardless of it's design, after you have paid for your mold, (this is
actual manufacturing cost),, if the company is paying another company to
shoot their lures (something that many name brand companies do) then
their cost can go as high as 5 cents each. These prices are for the bulk
lures,, without any other things like screen painting , or eyes added.

If a bag of lures is selling at the store for 6 dollars, the store paid
3.75 for them, if that bag went though the whole market chain (rep's,
wholesalers, salesmen, then the store, the manufacture will get about
2.00 dollars for that bag of 6 dollar baits, out of that, the federal
government takes 9% off the top, just for the (fishing/hunting tax),
then you have packaging cost, freight, office expenses that comes out,
GAry "might" make a half a dollar off of each 6 dollar package, but his
normal priced baits he might make a quarter per package

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

I have one of those welders and it's saved my butt more than once. When
you're down to the last Senko in the pack and they're hitting a particular
color, you try to save that torn piece of plastic as long as you can. I
don't smoke, so I don't carry a lighter.

wrote in message
...
One way to make Senko's last longer is use fine wire hooks of a smaller
size. I typically use 1/0 and 2/0 hooks (Gamakatsu) and when I read
about other anglers, I'll hear 3/0 - 5/0 hook sizes being used.......

I had a day on a lake filled with dinks where I caught 30 small (6 - 9
inch bass) and 3 legal bass and I used less than 10 Senkos -- and all
were caught on Senkos.

Being gentle with your casts helps -- and as a final resort, turning
them around and t-rigging them through the thin end.


I have read about -- dont have one yet -- a small battery powered
"welder" that will melt plastics together, too.


In G. M. Zimmermann wrote:
Something to think about Zimmy - as much as you like bass fishing,
just how much is a 100-fish-day worth to you? Would you pay $60 if I
guaranteed you a century day?

Don't get me wrong - I love senkos. Its probably the single lure that
I have the most confidence in. And I love the wide selection of
colors available. But the fact is, I just don't have an extra $60 to
spend every time I go fishing. Lucky for me I don't catch very many
fish so a pack of senkos lasts for a couple of outings.

-Zimmy