waders rant

"Hooked" wrote in message
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"Steve Sullivan" wrote in message
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I guess I should of got my waders from Bill instead of Tie Fast.

Only if they had your size. Don't settle on anything too small.



Agreed. I got a pair of breathables a few years back that were a bit snug in
the belly because I needed them postehaste, they were half-price, and they
were the only thing in the shop that was close to my size. I was never truly
comfortable wearing them, as I was always concerned about ripping them out
if I ever went down on a knee midstream. Even lacing up my boots was a bit
on the edge. The silver lining was that I got robbed in South Africa, and
with my insurance money I bought (with the assistance of Frank Reid) a very
comfortable pair of breathables that fit a tiny bit large, but with the wide
belt Frank chose for me, I can 'bunch up' the excess fabric and make them
right. Its like the difference between a pair of shoes that are a half-size
too small, and a pair of sandals that are just perfect.

--riverman

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:56:29 GMT, Steve Sullivan wrote:

I am so unbelievably depressed and angry at the same time. I feel so
incredibly screwed. I have to get this off my chest.
[rant snipped]

There's your real problem right the no sense of perspective...

/daytripper (how many lifetimes do you think you get, anyway?)

"daytripper" wrote in message
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/daytripper (how many lifetimes do you think you get, anyway?)

Since I'm already on my 59th, I would guess, 381.

:-)

Wow, what a tear jerking tale......Sounds like ya have like 2 options: 1. go
back and give the fella the $270.00, B. go elsewhere and buy a pair of
waders, or A.-wade without waders... Cabela's has an excellent wader for
under $100.00... A small peace of advice here from an x-fatguy, loose some
weight!!!
Sr.



"Steve Sullivan" wrote in message
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I am so unbelievably depressed and angry at the same time. I feel so
incredibly screwed. I have to get this off my chest.

I do most of my shopping at a local fly shop that will remain
annonymous. The owner is the NICEST guy, who has treated me *INCREDIBLY*
well (just want to make that clear).

He traded some quality waders for work I did for him (again, I praise
him for this). The waders were medium king sized (I am a big guy). The
associate was concerned that they were tight, and said he was worried
they might bust a seem in the stomach. The owner (this is very
important) said special sized waders would be $100 more and RECOMMENDED
that I get the medium kings, which is what I did. THE OWNER OF THE SHOP
RECOMMENDED THAT I GET THE WADERS. These were waders that he had in the
shop for some time that a customer ordered but never came in to buy.

About 3 months later I started to get leaks in them, and the material in
the bottom of the feet started wearing out. All the leaks were knee
level or bellow.

I called the manufacturer and they agreed that I could return the waders
to the store, and that instead of medium kings I needed specially made
waders. They told me to email them all the pertinent info, they would
make the waders and charge me $40.

They called the fly shop owner, who told them I insisted on getting the
waders even tho they told me not to. This was untrue. The associate most
definitely did say that the waders could tear at the stomach, but the
owner said that I should get them.

Thus, the manufacturer VOIDED my warranty, and if I want the specially
made waders I have to pay $270. The fly shop said they will try to
repair the leaks, but I am still without a WARRANTY plus without the
brand new specially sized waders for $40.

The owner IS a really nice guy, but I got screwed so incredibly hard.

nice guy till he couldn't make a buck off you....
your learning fast....but not fast enough..
allen
"Sr." wrote in message
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Wow, what a tear jerking tale......Sounds like ya have like 2 options: 1.
go
back and give the fella the $270.00, B. go elsewhere and buy a pair of
waders, or A.-wade without waders... Cabela's has an excellent wader for
under $100.00... A small peace of advice here from an x-fatguy, loose
some
weight!!!
Sr.



"Steve Sullivan" wrote in message
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I am so unbelievably depressed and angry at the same time. I feel so
incredibly screwed. I have to get this off my chest.

I do most of my shopping at a local fly shop that will remain
annonymous. The owner is the NICEST guy, who has treated me *INCREDIBLY*
well (just want to make that clear).

He traded some quality waders for work I did for him (again, I praise
him for this). The waders were medium king sized (I am a big guy). The
associate was concerned that they were tight, and said he was worried
they might bust a seem in the stomach. The owner (this is very
important) said special sized waders would be $100 more and RECOMMENDED
that I get the medium kings, which is what I did. THE OWNER OF THE SHOP
RECOMMENDED THAT I GET THE WADERS. These were waders that he had in the
shop for some time that a customer ordered but never came in to buy.

About 3 months later I started to get leaks in them, and the material in
the bottom of the feet started wearing out. All the leaks were knee
level or bellow.

I called the manufacturer and they agreed that I could return the waders
to the store, and that instead of medium kings I needed specially made
waders. They told me to email them all the pertinent info, they would
make the waders and charge me $40.

They called the fly shop owner, who told them I insisted on getting the
waders even tho they told me not to. This was untrue. The associate most
definitely did say that the waders could tear at the stomach, but the
owner said that I should get them.

Thus, the manufacturer VOIDED my warranty, and if I want the specially
made waders I have to pay $270. The fly shop said they will try to
repair the leaks, but I am still without a WARRANTY plus without the
brand new specially sized waders for $40.

The owner IS a really nice guy, but I got screwed so incredibly hard.

Apparently Sierra Stream and mountain AKA TIE FAST (is sending a email
behind my back. It is quoted with a reply by me. You will see why
they did it behind my back

Since April, I have been constantly harrassed by Joe Gambucci (aka
slofly), and someone in reno who goes by the nick flytyer in reno plus
many of their friends at www.ncffb.org. Apparently it all starts from
this post and the chronology of posts that went along with it,
evidenced in the tree of posts that you can view at
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...e_frm/thread/=
868f7ccfb50e931a/c994107269ee3b03?tvc=3D1&q=3Dwaders+rant&_done=3D% 2Fgroups=
%3Fq%3Dwaders+rant%26qt_s%3DSearch+Groups%26&_done Title=3DBack+to+Search&sc=
rollSave=3D&&d#c994107269ee3b03


Most of what the letter says is a outright lie. =C2=A0To see the
chronology, from when BEFORE Ron even saw the waders but had the
warranty voided, see =C2=A0
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...rowse_frm/thre
ad/868f7ccfb50e931a/c994107269ee3b03?tvc=3D1&q=3Dwaders+rant&_done=3D% 2Fgro=
ups%3Fq%3Dwaders+rant%26qt_s%3DSearch+Groups%26&_d oneTitle=3DBack+to+Search=
&scrollSave=3D&&d#c994107269ee3b03

=C2=A0
This first post was before sierra stream and mountain EVEN SAW THE
WADERS!! =C2=A0Sierra stream and mountain had my waders warrantee voided
before they even saw the waders. Someone forwarded me a email from Ron
where he admits he did this because he knew it would turn out to be
true (only every other flyfishing store in Chico disagreed, nick at
chico fly shop and will at fish first)=C2=A0When I took the waders to them,
they accused me of wearing the waders without wading boots?=EF=BF=BC =C2=A0=
I have
wading boots thank you, the ones I bought from them. =C2=A0Can you imagine
fishing in just neoprenes on rocks? =C2=A0 =C2=A0After they accused me of t=
his,
I took the waders to the other fly shop in town, the very respected
fish first. =C2=A0I showed the waders to will turek, the manager
). =C2=A0He said that it was simply a matter of wear and
tear, I fish alot. =C2=A0He said that the neoprene on the booties was the
thin cheap neoprene, not the hypalon (sp??) that higher quality waders
use. =C2=A0He also said that they were single stitched. =C2=A0I also took t=
he
waders to Chico Fly Shop, and showed them to Nick (dont know his last
name). =C2=A0I am preety sure his exact words were "you got a bum deal".
=C2=A0
"Response to Waders rant by Steve Sullivan =C2=A0
My name is Ron Lewis I am owner of TIE-FAST vest tools and Sierra
Stream & Mountain, a small fly shop located in Chico California. Over
the past few weeks there have been postings to your ncffb bulletin
board by Steve Sullivan concerning my shop and business. I would like
you to hear my side of this story. =C2=A0
First of all I am writing to your e-mail address personally verses
posting on the bulletin board. Your ncffb bulletin board should be a
fun and informative site for the sharing of information. =C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
No, you wanted to email lies behind my back so I couldnt respond
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Not for ranting and complaining about other people. =C2=A0
Steve Sullivan came into my fly shop and I befriended him. He is very
much a novice, beginner fisherman but I liked his enthusiasm for the
sport of fly-fishing, so I tried to help him with his equipment.
Steve began purchasing products from me. The first product was a fly
reel. Which he brought back to me broken within a week, I replaced
it. I handed him a new one with no questions. He then brought the
second reel back one week later and said it had been broken also. We
repaired it. He then purchased a fly fishing rod. Within a week he
brought that back into the shop after breaking it. I told him to send
it back to the mfg. along with $25.00 to get it replaced or repaired.
The mfg did not charge him for replacement do to the fact that he got
it at my shop. He then purchased another rod from me. In fact, his
parents purchased it for him. He brought that back to me broken also.
So we sent it back to the mfg. and it was repaired for an economical
price. =C2=A0
Next he wanted a pair of breathable waders. After he made the decision
of which pair of waders he wanted he took his selection home. Within
a couple of weeks he spoke with me about them "leaking", so I told
him to talk to the mfg. about the problem. After that discussion, he
brought the waders into my shop to look at the "leak". =C2=A0
=C2=A0
Lie. =C2=A0You had the waders warranty voided before you even saw the
waders.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
My sales manager and I looked at the waders. They had been =C2=A0
completely abused and misused. =C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
LIe. =C2=A0Not according to every other flyshop in town.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
They have (4) holes ranging from 1" to 3 =C2=BD" in the feet of the
waders, the reinforced knee cover was torn away from the wader itself.
The built in wader belt has been torn away from the waders in
sections. They were covered with sand and completely wet with mildew
on them, very poor condition. Mind you everything listed above
occurred within a 4 month period. I told Steve that this abuse is not
a manufacture defect. That the warranty will not be honored by ADG the
mfg. In the wader warranty, policy & care package that is supplied
with every ADG wader it simply states, "Warranty does not cover
neglect, abuse, improper care and normal wear usage" The warranty does
cover "manufacture defects" My mangers and I sat down with Steve on
April 6, 2004 and he has admitted to us that most of his statements to
the ncffb bulletin board were brought on by his anger with the waders
not being warranted. =C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Lie. =C2=A0My anger was that I had an agreement with adg to send me larger
sized special fit waders for $40, and without even seeing the waders
you had the warranty voided. =C2=A0After you took a look at the waders and
said they were abused I took them to every single fly shop in town (2)
and both said that it was from wear and tear. =C2=A0Will turek of fish
first in chico told me that given how much I fish, that the waders were
single stitched, and given the thinness of the neoprenes booties (not
new double neoprene, I think its called hypalon (sp?) it was no wonder
the waders were the way they were.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
He also admits that statements made were false. =C2=A0
=C2=A0
Nothing substantial. =C2=A0For instance my first post I made it clear that
the waders were for trade in work (which is true) latter on I lapsed
and said "bought".
=C2=A0
He said that he would give an apology for his actions and his
criticism of my shop, employees and my products. To the ncffb
bulletin board. =C2=A0
=C2=A0
The biggest bold faced lie ever. =C2=A0No kidding you sent these emails
behind my back. =C2=A0Ron threatened me with lawyers, telling me how
wealthy he was. =C2=A0He complained about how he spent all day answering
calls regarding my post (and other employees, Sean, concurred) then the
next minutes acts like my post had no effect. =C2=A0With all his threats,
you know what I did? =C2=A0I thought to myself SCREW THIS, got up, and
walked to the door to leave. =C2=A0Ron Jumped up and blocked the door. =C2=
=A0
=C2=A0Physcially prevented me from leaving. =C2=A0One of the employees (sea=
n or
lincoln) said their is a new pair of waders here for you, so I sat back
down.
=C2=A0
I SAID I WOULD TELL THE BOARD THAT YOU GAVE ME A NEW PAIR OF WADERS AND
THE SITUATION WAS OVER. =C2=A0I wont go into your store and tell you you
are a bald faced liar, but I would be happy to met you at the neuman
catholic church a block from your store, put my hand on a bible and
state that all I agreed to was what I just said. =C2=A0LETS SEE YOU DO THE
SAME!! =C2=A0You would probably be struck down by god with a lightning
bolt!!
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
I replaced his waders with a brand new pair. I felt that I should do
so, not to show that I was at fault, but to let my customers know
that I do stand behind my products. =C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
LIE. =C2=A0You ignored all my posts. =C2=A0You admitted you saw all of them.
=C2=A0Sean and yourself admitted you were sick of all the calls from
customers. =C2=A0It wasnt that you stand behind your product or you wouldnt
of ignored me and waited till you got sick of all the phone calls from
people who saw the post on the internet. =C2=A0Your threats about how rich
you were and how your lawyers would take me to court? =C2=A0And you have
the gall to say the above? =C2=A0How F&***ing rich!!
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Attached are photos of the waders that Steve brought back to me and
wanted me to warranty. Please take a look at the attached photo of
Steve Sullivan's actual pair of "LEAKY" waders he felt I should
replace and you determine if this is a manufactures defect or if this
was caused by neglect, abuse, improper care. " =C2=A0
=C2=A0
Many bridges burnt by this person. Decide for yourself. =C2=A0
=C2=A0
And contact both the respected fly shops I took the waders to, chico
fly shop and fish first. =C2=A0How many people have heard of these shops?
=C2=A0How many people have heard of "sierra stream and mountain". =C2=A0Bot=
tom
line, my warranty was voided because you told adg that the waders were
abused BEFORE YOU EVEN SAW THEM!!, and that conclusion was shown FALSE
by every other flyshop in CHico.

Because of the above lies, I have been constantly harrassed for over 6
months. I have had the meanest vilest things said about me. One
person condoned Joe Gambucci vile harrassment. I sent this person a
taste of what he put me through (one email), and you should of seen the
hell that broke out. I wonder if this person thinks what Joe gambucci
did was so innocent now that they got a taste of it??

wrote in message
oups.com...

Well, Steve, you certainly have been through some hoops for this damn pair
of waders. For the life of me, though, I can't see why you keep inflicting
this story upon ROFF, other than to provide cheap entertainment.
Tom