Penn's Creek Clave...Say "I"

Jeff Miller wrote:

i caught a nice brown - maybe 14 inches - on a streamer in blue rock
hole. lost 2 huge fish there, one on that brookie streamer you tied and
gave me a few years ago, and one on a huge black leech with a hinge in
its hip and trailing hook. those big ones ate the fly aggressively on
the strip in shortly after the swing, stunned me with the viciousness of
the take, then simply turned in a power i've never felt before. had them
on until they decided to zip away...they broke me off laughingly easy
(5x and 4x tippet). i did a poor job in the play. i'm a believer. mike
told me where the biggest fish holds (on the last night of my fishing, i
might add), so i'm gonna try for him next year.


You're doing a bit better than you did out West when you used 6X tippet
with a streamer, but overall I think you'd be better off using heavier
tippet when fishing streamers.

Willi

Willi wrote:


You're doing a bit better than you did out West when you used 6X tippet
with a streamer, but overall I think you'd be better off using heavier
tippet when fishing streamers.

lesson learned, advice understood...will comply. i'm simply unprepared
for and unaccustomed to catching big trout. i posted a bunch of penns
creek photos on abpf, including my biggest landed brown...

jeff

Jeff Miller wrote in message news:SW4sc.4106$zE6.3079@lakeread06...
snipped
stunned me with the viciousness of
the take, then simply turned in a power i've never felt before. had them
on until they decided to zip away

It's what keeps me coming back..

...they broke me off laughingly easy (5x and 4x tippet).

3X in Penn's is the standard. If they won't hit it, it's not worth the
heartbreak..although Roger showed up with some super-duper tippet from
the Northlands, maybe that would work better??

i did a poor job in the play. i'm a believer. mike
told me where the biggest fish holds (on the last night of my fishing, i
might add), so i'm gonna try for him next year.

Had to give him a fighting chance...I did fish that hole on Sunday,
but they were all terrified.. I did happen to hit a hole for 6 fish
on the way out including a 19 incher, but it didn't look as fat as
your big fish..

I do believe an early 16 incher in Mike's run took the prize this year
and kept the incumbent's namesake..


jeff


It was good fishing with you again this year, glad the Great State Of
PA could oblige this time around with the plentiful hatches over many
a risin' fish. See ya in a few weeks.


The Finn.

Michael Makela wrote:


I do believe an early 16 incher in **jeffie's run** took the prize this year
and kept the incumbent's namesake..

nope...simply won't do. as i said on the dark walk out of the
stream...the last trout hooked on a green drake dry fly the friday night
before the end of the clave, with said trout doing an air ballet before
throwing the hook... THAT determines the name of the run for the year
til next penns clave. and...i believe you will have to agree i've got
the prize this year?


It was good fishing with you again this year, glad the Great State Of
PA could oblige this time around with the plentiful hatches over many
a risin' fish. See ya in a few weeks.

....and, as always it was a humbling and learning experience for me to go
a-fishing with you. praise jesus i didn't tag along with you AND
roger...i mighta figured i'm one of the unblessed and unworthy and
chucked the fishin altogether. it's fun every year up there. thanks to
you, tom, davepa, vince, and the other "pa-ians" for helping me in my
chasin of the great mystery...


jeff (who will give credit that the drake fly was on loan from a former
pretender to jeffie's run)

"Michael Makela" wrote in message
om...
Jeff Miller wrote in message
news:SW4sc.4106$zE6.3079@lakeread06...
snipped
stunned me with the viciousness of
the take, then simply turned in a power i've never felt before. had them
on until they decided to zip away

It's what keeps me coming back..

...they broke me off laughingly easy (5x and 4x tippet).

3X in Penn's is the standard. If they won't hit it, it's not worth the
heartbreak..although Roger showed up with some super-duper tippet from
the Northlands, maybe that would work better??



Which brings up a cultural thing that I've noticed (even in my novice
status). The idea of working with the lightest tippet you can get away with
is definately a North American thing. I know there are trade-offs, like the
supposition that fish won't strike if they see the leader, or that a thicker
tippet won't turn over as well so you need lighter tips to improve your
presentation. But those are directly outweighed by the simple fact that a
lighter tippet = more lost fish.

Everywhere else I have fished (Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Estonia, South
Africa, Norway...) the rule of thumb is to use the LARGEST tippet you can
get away with. Whereas a US angler might try a #7, get snapped off and move
to a #6, then a #5 if they continue to get busted, other folks start with a
#2 or #3, then move to a finer tippet if they find that they are being
ignored. And IMLE, they get ignored a lot less than you'd think, so they
usually just stick with the #3.

When I tied on some #7 tippet in front of a Finnish guide, he was amazed as
he had almost never seen tippet that light, although he had heard of it.
Shops hardly stocked it.

--riverman

I know there are trade-offs, like the supposition that fish won't strike if they see the leader....

Both George Harvey and Vince Marinaro, IIRC, conducted experiments to
demonstrate that it doesn't matter if the fish "see" the leader.

They attached short pieces of very heavy leader to flies, and dropped
them into the water. Fish took them eagerly.

The reason for a fine leader is not that it's hard for the fish to
see, but that it is more flexible and thus less likely to produce
drag.

vince

"Mike Makela" ten.tsacmoc@alekamm wrote in message
...
All right, if you haven't left already for (I think Shaw's already there)
let's hear an "I" just to get a count..

I'm out'a here in about 7 hours. Taking a shortcut......should arrive some
time on Saturday.

Wolfgang

On Thu, 13 May 2004 19:16:50 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"Mike Makela" ten.tsacmoc@alekamm wrote in message
...
All right, if you haven't left already for (I think Shaw's already there)
let's hear an "I" just to get a count..

I'm out'a here in about 7 hours. Taking a shortcut......should arrive some
time on Saturday.

Wolfgang

Have a safe trip Wolf! Catch lotsa fish! Make Cheesehead Nation
proud!


g.c.

I'm outta here at 0400 hrs. tomorrow. I'll arrive in Indiana Pa. fish until
1600 Saturday then head for Hemlock Acres. I should arrive sometime between
1900 and 2000 hrs. Saturday night. Somebody get the beer cold!
--
Wayne
To Fish is Human...To Release Divine!

"Mike Makela" ten.tsacmoc@alekamm wrote in message
...
All right, if you haven't left already for (I think Shaw's already there)
let's hear an "I" just to get a count..
Mike

I'm in late Fri or sometime Sat.