Scents + ethics/morality

I never had a problem with Rodney. I like the old Goat Farmer. I don't
have a problem with anybody that wants to sell anything fishing related
here. But the charter police will give you a hard time.
--
Craig Baugher

Rodney has brown eyes.

Warren
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"Craig" wrote in message
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I never had a problem with Rodney. I like the old Goat Farmer. I don't
have a problem with anybody that wants to sell anything fishing related
here. But the charter police will give you a hard time.
--
Craig Baugher

Unfortunately in this society money is a key factor in almost everything we
do, so if it takes pushing a product to make a living even if you don't
really use the product or really feel it is worth while then I guess that is
what you have to do.
Now as for scents, I definitely use them, my thought is , if they don't
help, they sure don't hurt, and I am not going to be caught on the short
side of that stick. Why not appeal to all their senses. Berkley obviously
believes in them, I don't know what their R&D bill is a year , but I am
guessing it is pretty hefty. I know the species I chase most of the time,
scent is probably the biggest factor in getting them to bite.

Just thought I would throw in my 2 cents.


Chris
"Josh" wrote in message
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Well as long as many of us are sitting around till springtime only wishing
we could get out on the water, I thought I'd try this perhaps
controversial
question out on you guy/gals.

I'm not sure if scents work or not. I tend to think they do, but
perhaps
that's just a psychological crutch I use (which is ok if it works . . . I
think). But I get the drift that many . . . perhaps even most members of
ROFB agree they do not work eg. see recent thread information with Joe
H's response. I know there's been an ongoing debate and am not sure of the
numbers, but let's assume most members agree that they do not work. . . .
That being the case,

I've seen just about every major tournament competitor (BASS, FLW etc)
endorse scents at one time or another. Do group members see any issues of
an
ethical or moral nature in the peddeling of those products by the pros
(who
must have a good idea if they legitimately work or not) if they don't
really
work.?

I recall some time ago asking a similar question about endorsements
of
other products by pros (eg. Hank Parker's long time Hummingbird is God's
greatest gift to fishermen. . . now with someone else). And everyone
seemed
to have no problem with it because "it's how they make their living." I
did
and do have a problem with it. I very much enjoy Bill Dance as a
fisherman
( though he fishes nothing but stocked ponds any longer) and a person. I
understand he's a golden human being, but everyone has to know Bill would
endorse tying a cow on the end of his line if someone paid him a buck to
say
it.

I guess the core question is, does anyone else feel like it's
inappropriate for people to endorse "any product" recieve endorsement
monies
just because it's a sponsor and the mouthpiece is a name competitor? Just
wondering how rest of you feel. ok...shoot.
--
God Bless America

Josh The Bad Bear

Josh wrote:

I've seen just about every major tournament competitor (BASS, FLW etc)
endorse scents at one time or another.


I covered most of the Classics from 1980 to 2000 as an official observer.
Most of the pros I rode with over that time had some scent patch or other
on their person. In all that time, I only ever saw one of them (Ken Cook)
actually take the time to put it on his lure during either competition or
practice. Other than him, I can also give Jay Yelas a free ride on that, as
he never tied on a soft lure or used a trailer that wasn't a powerbait, so
he certainly used scent.

I also rode as an observer in most of the All Americans from '85 to '97.
With a few exceptions, the All American competitors course were for the
most part, high-level 'wannabes' or semi-pros. IE, really good weekend
fishermen. Maybe 1 out of 5 of these guys would do it.

RichZ©
www.richz.com/fishing

Very interesting Rich. I'll continue to use I guess mostly because of
the psychological boost it gives me. Appreciate your insights as always.

And it's pretty obvious that other major league sports figures don't
always use what they endorse. My question was directed at our sport and
those who've attained some degree of success in it professionally.

--
God Bless America

Josh The Bad Bear

If you think about it Josh, it's really no different than a Ford salesman
that drives a Chevy to work. I'm not endorsing the practice, but it's
definately no crime.

Warren
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"Josh" wrote in message
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Very interesting Rich. I'll continue to use I guess mostly because of
the psychological boost it gives me. Appreciate your insights as always.

And it's pretty obvious that other major league sports figures don't
always use what they endorse. My question was directed at our sport and
those who've attained some degree of success in it professionally.

--
God Bless America

Josh The Bad Bear

Sorry Warren, but I'd have to disagree with you. I wouldn't buy a Chevy
from a salesperson that doesn't drive one.

DK
"go-bassn" wrote in message
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If you think about it Josh, it's really no different than a Ford salesman
that drives a Chevy to work. I'm not endorsing the practice, but it's
definately no crime.

Warren
--
http://www.fishingworld.com/MesaTackleSupply/
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com http://www.secretweaponlures.com
http://www.warrenwolk.com/ http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com/

"Josh" wrote in message
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Very interesting Rich. I'll continue to use I guess mostly because
of
the psychological boost it gives me. Appreciate your insights as always.

And it's pretty obvious that other major league sports figures don't
always use what they endorse. My question was directed at our sport and
those who've attained some degree of success in it professionally.

--
God Bless America

Josh The Bad Bear

and how would you know?

--
Craig Baugher

lol DK, you can buy a Chevy from anyone. I've been in one for 4 months, and
I doubt I'll ever get out of one.

Warren
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http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com http://www.secretweaponlures.com
http://www.warrenwolk.com/ http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com/

"Dark Knight" wrote in message
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Sorry Warren, but I'd have to disagree with you. I wouldn't buy a Chevy
from a salesperson that doesn't drive one.

DK
"go-bassn" wrote in message
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If you think about it Josh, it's really no different than a Ford
salesman
that drives a Chevy to work. I'm not endorsing the practice, but it's
definately no crime.

Warren
--
http://www.fishingworld.com/MesaTackleSupply/
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com http://www.secretweaponlures.com
http://www.warrenwolk.com/ http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com/

"Josh" wrote in message
...
Very interesting Rich. I'll continue to use I guess mostly because
of
the psychological boost it gives me. Appreciate your insights as
always.

And it's pretty obvious that other major league sports figures
don't
always use what they endorse. My question was directed at our sport
and
those who've attained some degree of success in it professionally.

--
God Bless America

Josh The Bad Bear

"Josh" wrote in message SNIP

I guess the core question is, does anyone else feel like it's
inappropriate for people to endorse "any product" recieve endorsement monies
just because it's a sponsor and the mouthpiece is a name competitor? Just
wondering how rest of you feel. ok...shoot.

My personal opinion is that it's not right to endorse a product and/or service/company if the
endorsee (?) doesn't use it. Now, this is just me speaking for myself, but as many of you know, I'm
working on getting sponsors for my hopefully soon to air television show. It takes a great deal of
money to get a show on the air and in order to do so, I need sponsors and their corresponding funds.
BUT, I'm not going to sign a contract unless it is a quality item that I would consider using
personally.

A case in point, I was contacted by a boat company and offered a sponsorship package of two boats
and some cash. Now, this sounds like a great deal and it was. The only problem with the whole deal
was it was an aluminum jet drive boat. Anyone that knows me knows that I am a fiberglass
performance boat enthusiast. If I were to suddenly appear on screen in this rig, anyone that knew
me would know that I signed the deal only for the money. I won't do that! So I politely declined,
and explained my stance. The potential sponsor seemed impressed, but disappointed at the same time.

I'm not going to even remotely attempt to impose my morals and beliefs on someone else. I feel that
it's MY reputation on the line if I endorse something and I won't risk my reputation for something
as trivial as cash or some trinkets. Reputation is like virginity, once it's gone, there's nothing
that can get it back.

But that's just my opinion,
--
Steve
OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
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