Playing A Fish Quest. ?

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Tim J. wrote:

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote...

Respecting the fish by honoring the sport of fly fishing,


You lost me on that one. . .


For me fly fishing is a very important part of who I am and
how I make sense of the world around me. Norman Maclean had
it right when he said there is no clear line between religion
and fly fishing. For me, words like honorable, properly and
respect are not "strange" words to associate with fly fishing.

I loathe this style of quasi-mystical navel-gazing elitist bull****.
This is from someone who claims that the essence of flyfishing is
casting -- with a T&T rod, of course. :-) Flyfishing is a blood sport.
It can be done well (which requires years of practice, aside from a few
rare naturals), it can be done poorly, or, as is the case with most of
us, it can be done with hopeful and striving mediocrity. It has
absolutely nothing in common with religion.

Ken has a right to his point of view, and I have a right to say it's a
pile of self righteous crap.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Tim J. wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote...
Respecting the fish by honoring the sport of fly fishing,

You lost me on that one. . .

For me fly fishing is a very important part of who I am and
how I make sense of the world around me. Norman Maclean had
it right when he said there is no clear line between religion
and fly fishing. For me, words like honorable, properly and
respect are not "strange" words to associate with fly fishing.

I didn't say they were, but I still fail to understand how getting the fish onto
the reel has anything to do with "respecting the fish." Hell, you can honor the
sport any way you want, but I think the fish would feel better respected if you
didn't fish at all.
--
TL,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Tim J. wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
For me fly fishing is a very important part of who I am and
how I make sense of the world around me. Norman Maclean had
it right when he said there is no clear line between religion
and fly fishing. For me, words like honorable, properly and
respect are not "strange" words to associate with fly fishing.

I didn't say they were, ...

Right, but you glommed on to a conversation between me and Willi
and Willi called my fly fishing vocabulary "strange."

--
Ken Fortenberry

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Tim J. wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
For me fly fishing is a very important part of who I am and
how I make sense of the world around me. Norman Maclean had
it right when he said there is no clear line between religion
and fly fishing. For me, words like honorable, properly and
respect are not "strange" words to associate with fly fishing.

I didn't say they were, ...

Right, but you glommed on to a conversation between me and Willi

I'm so sorry - I didn't realise you guys were using Usenet for a private
conversation. What was I thinking? NOBODY READ THIS, OKAY? ;-)

and Willi called my fly fishing vocabulary "strange."

Yes, but I didn't, except for the context.
--
TL,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Tim J. wrote:

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:

For me fly fishing is a very important part of who I am and
how I make sense of the world around me. Norman Maclean had
it right when he said there is no clear line between religion
and fly fishing. For me, words like honorable, properly and
respect are not "strange" words to associate with fly fishing.


I didn't say they were, ...


Right, but you glommed on to a conversation between me and Willi
and Willi called my fly fishing vocabulary "strange."


No I didn't find your vocabulary particularly strange when applied to
fly fishing. I think fly fishing can be done with respect for the
resource, not so sure about "properly" and I have trouble with seeing it
as "honorable." But that aside, what I find strange is that you apply
those words to the way YOU do it.

"I try to honor the fish by catching them properly, with respect, and
releasing them them same way. For me, catching them properly means
getting them on the reel."

Personally, I don't care how you fish as long as it's legal but saying
that a method of fishing that puts additional stress on a fish (in some
circumstances) has "honor", is "proper" and is treating the fish with
"respect" is VERY strange to me.



I wrote this before I saw the below post from you:

I'm talking about honoring fish as prey, which is somewhat strange
I suppose in that I don't actually plan to eat them, just fool
them with fur and feathers.


Glad you agree.

Willi

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Tim J. wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
For me fly fishing is a very important part of who I am and
how I make sense of the world around me. Norman Maclean had
it right when he said there is no clear line between religion
and fly fishing. For me, words like honorable, properly and
respect are not "strange" words to associate with fly fishing.

I didn't say they were, ...

Right, but you glommed on to a conversation between me and Willi

I'm so sorry - I didn't realise you guys were using Usenet for a private
conversation. What was I thinking? NOBODY READ THIS, OKAY? ;-)

and Willi called my fly fishing vocabulary "strange."

Yes, but I didn't, except for the context.
--
TL,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Tim J. wrote:

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:

For me fly fishing is a very important part of who I am and
how I make sense of the world around me. Norman Maclean had
it right when he said there is no clear line between religion
and fly fishing. For me, words like honorable, properly and
respect are not "strange" words to associate with fly fishing.


I didn't say they were, ...


Right, but you glommed on to a conversation between me and Willi
and Willi called my fly fishing vocabulary "strange."


No I didn't find your vocabulary particularly strange when applied to
fly fishing. I think fly fishing can be done with respect for the
resource, not so sure about "properly" and I have trouble with seeing it
as "honorable." But that aside, what I find strange is that you apply
those words to the way YOU do it.

"I try to honor the fish by catching them properly, with respect, and
releasing them them same way. For me, catching them properly means
getting them on the reel."

Personally, I don't care how you fish as long as it's legal but saying
that a method of fishing that puts additional stress on a fish (in some
circumstances) has "honor", is "proper" and is treating the fish with
"respect" is VERY strange to me.



I wrote this before I saw the below post from you:

I'm talking about honoring fish as prey, which is somewhat strange
I suppose in that I don't actually plan to eat them, just fool
them with fur and feathers.


Glad you agree.

Willi

Tim J. wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
For me fly fishing is a very important part of who I am and
how I make sense of the world around me. Norman Maclean had
it right when he said there is no clear line between religion
and fly fishing. For me, words like honorable, properly and
respect are not "strange" words to associate with fly fishing.

I didn't say they were, ...

Right, but you glommed on to a conversation between me and Willi
and Willi called my fly fishing vocabulary "strange."

--
Ken Fortenberry

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in
message ...
Tim J. wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote...
Respecting the fish by honoring the sport of fly fishing,

You lost me on that one. . .

For me fly fishing is a very important part of who I am and
how I make sense of the world around me.

Thus demonstrating that you should find a less intellectually
demanding avocation.

Norman Maclean had
it right when he said there is no clear line between religion
and fly fishing.

Exactly......um.....except he never said that.

For me, words like honorable, properly and
respect are not "strange" words to associate with fly fishing.

I don't think anyone here would have any trouble associating words
like honorable, properly or respect with fly fishing. It's you
insistence that they apply somehow to YOU, whether through fly fishing
or anything else, that taints them.

Wolfgang

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Tim J. wrote:

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote...

Respecting the fish by honoring the sport of fly fishing,


You lost me on that one. . .


For me fly fishing is a very important part of who I am and
how I make sense of the world around me. Norman Maclean had
it right when he said there is no clear line between religion
and fly fishing. For me, words like honorable, properly and
respect are not "strange" words to associate with fly fishing.

I loathe this style of quasi-mystical navel-gazing elitist bull****.
This is from someone who claims that the essence of flyfishing is
casting -- with a T&T rod, of course. :-) Flyfishing is a blood sport.
It can be done well (which requires years of practice, aside from a few
rare naturals), it can be done poorly, or, as is the case with most of
us, it can be done with hopeful and striving mediocrity. It has
absolutely nothing in common with religion.

Ken has a right to his point of view, and I have a right to say it's a
pile of self righteous crap.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.