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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Exactly. It's fun, it's entertaining, Well, it is nice to know that one has friends of course, but I canīt see much sense in baiting them, and even less fun in it. That one feels obliged to refute lies, or slurs, and even rank idiocy, is clear enough, and I have no argument with that. But friends would not do that to each other anyway? Even should a friend make a mistake, this would not normally result in any serious castigation? Just as an aside really, it seems to me that the longer some people are here, the worse the baiting becomes. A case perhaps, of familiarity breeding contempt? Whatever. Back to occasional lurking. TL MC |
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Conan the Librarian wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Mike Connor wrote: snip It may well be that we canīt all just get along. Assuming such to be the case, then why are we all here? Just to waste time with absolutely hopeless "sounding-off"? Exactly. It's fun, it's entertaining, I'm probably going to regret this, but I am curious about that statement. ... Well, I find roff fun and entertaining but an enormous waste of time. But being an enormous waste of time is a big part of why it's fun and entertaining. I mean, I come here precisely because I want to take a little break from the drudgery of wordsmithing and waste a little time. ... But the part I don't get is the veiled (or sometimes, not-so-veiled) threats of physical violence ... I absolutely agree. Besides being ridiculous, issuing threats of physical violence is one of the things that is specifically prohibited on virtually every ISPs Terms of Agreement. (You can eliminate the vast majority of them that you see on roff just by sticking Opie in your killfile.) This is not directed (just) at you, Ken, but since you brought up the idea of friends: It sure seems like a number of folks here have gone out of their way to alienate any possible friends they might have had here. There's very few folks here who could ever be a close friend of mine. The overwhelming majority are decent enough fellows with whom I would be happy to share a stream and a beer at some point and then there's a very small few with whom I wouldn't want to associate under any circumstances. Just like "real" life off of Usenet, right ? Then what will you be left with? Well, it'll always be an enormous waste of time, it's got that going for it. ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Mike Connor wrote: snip It may well be that we canīt all just get along. Assuming such to be the case, then why are we all here? Just to waste time with absolutely hopeless "sounding-off"? Exactly. It's fun, it's entertaining, I'm probably going to regret this, but I am curious about that statement. I agree that some of the banter and the intellectual jousting can be entertaining. But the part I don't get is the veiled (or sometimes, not-so-veiled) threats of physical violence and the insults that resemble schoolyard taunting. It doesn't bother me in the sense that I'm offended, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I've been around newsgroups since 1991, and spent a good bit of time on political groups, so I've seen my fair share of the good, bad and ugly (mostly ugly). But I came to expect the worst when the only common ground those folks had was their hatred of the opposite side. Here we supposedly have a common love of ff'ing, and in fact, most of the participants in the most egregious name-calling have fished together (and apparently, in some cases even enjoyed it). That's the part I don't get, and can't really find humor in. I still follow (most of) the threads, so I guess it's at least intriguing (in a car-wreck-by-the-highway sense), but why is it entertaining to call your fellow flyfisherman a poopie head? Yeah, it's a waste of time, but so long as you have friends here, and I most definitely and emphatically consider you a friend, it's not meaningless. This is not directed (just) at you, Ken, but since you brought up the idea of friends: It sure seems like a number of folks here have gone out of their way to alienate any possible friends they might have had here. Then what will you be left with? Chuck Vance |
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![]() Mike Connor wrote: Donīt really know why I even bother ... posting at all anymore. Like a number of other things it has become almost meaningless. not so to some here. i've learned a good bit from your posts and enjoyed your rhymes... but, it is eerie here at times, almost "lord of the flies" strange. still, i've had my fill of the arrogant, hypocritical asshole.... jeff |
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Jeff Miller wrote:
Mike Connor wrote: Donīt really know why I even bother ... posting at all anymore. Like a number of other things it has become almost meaningless. not so to some here. i've learned a good bit from your posts and enjoyed your rhymes... but, it is eerie here at times, almost "lord of the flies" strange. still, i've had my fill of the arrogant, hypocritical asshole.... And I of pertinacious pricks who persist in rude Usenet behavior. But not this time. Why no top-posting this time ? -- Ken Fortenberry |
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....well, i was feeling polite, smart, and energetic. fortunately, it
was fleeting... and, btw, i'm ashamed for not having said this sooner... i'm privileged to know and to consider joe macintosh as my friend. he's as fine a fellow and fishing companion as one could hope to find...and, i hope to spend many more days in his company. the sight of joe sitting on a rock or log by a trout stream eating sardines is a pleasing one, and, thankfully, it's a gift i've enjoyed on more than one occasion. jeff Ken Fortenberry wrote: And I of pertinacious pricks who persist in rude Usenet behavior. But not this time. Why no top-posting this time ? |
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....well, i was feeling polite, smart, and energetic. fortunately, it
was fleeting... and, btw, i'm ashamed for not having said this sooner... i'm privileged to know and to consider joe macintosh as my friend. he's as fine a fellow and fishing companion as one could hope to find...and, i hope to spend many more days in his company. the sight of joe sitting on a rock or log by a trout stream eating sardines is a pleasing one, and, thankfully, it's a gift i've enjoyed on more than one occasion. jeff Ken Fortenberry wrote: And I of pertinacious pricks who persist in rude Usenet behavior. But not this time. Why no top-posting this time ? |
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Jeff Miller wrote:
Mike Connor wrote: Donīt really know why I even bother ... posting at all anymore. Like a number of other things it has become almost meaningless. not so to some here. i've learned a good bit from your posts and enjoyed your rhymes... but, it is eerie here at times, almost "lord of the flies" strange. still, i've had my fill of the arrogant, hypocritical asshole.... And I of pertinacious pricks who persist in rude Usenet behavior. But not this time. Why no top-posting this time ? -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Mike Connor wrote:
snip It may well be that we canīt all just get along. Assuming such to be the case, then why are we all here? Just to waste time with absolutely hopeless "sounding-off"? Exactly. It's fun, it's entertaining, and it costs nothing because I use DSL for work anyway. It's ALL about wasting time. And don't say that like it's a bad thing, we all obviously have loads of time to waste. ... Like a number of other things it has become almost meaningless. Yeah, it's a waste of time, but so long as you have friends here, and I most definitely and emphatically consider you a friend, it's not meaningless. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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![]() Mike Connor wrote: Donīt really know why I even bother ... posting at all anymore. Like a number of other things it has become almost meaningless. not so to some here. i've learned a good bit from your posts and enjoyed your rhymes... but, it is eerie here at times, almost "lord of the flies" strange. still, i've had my fill of the arrogant, hypocritical asshole.... jeff |
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