GRHE question

On 16 Oct 2004 03:01:12 GMT, OWAY2it (-- Rob)
wrote...:

I also tie PTs using just brown thread and the gold wire rib. They have
worked
*very* well on my Maine waters.

Dave

that is an *excellent* suggestion... I know of some who tie small bwo's (just
using olive thread) but hadn't heard of PTs tied that way...

Sounds like Rob's tying Clyde style. Many of the flies only use thread
for the body.

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riverman wrote:

"Tim J." wrote in message
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riverman wrote:
And exactly where on the mask should I be harvesting fur for these? I
guess I'm not sure what the different parts of the mask are called.
Even the ear has at least 4 different qualities of fur (inside, on
the rim, the tip and the base).

I was taught to use the soft shorter stuff right at the base of the ear.
For a "spikier" look, I use the coarser hair, especially at the thorax.
--

I wonder if there's a link out there with a sketch of a hare's mask, and
sections marked out (like one of those butcher's guides for steaks, yum)
that name the regions and the properties for each, as well as which flies
those particular hairs are good for. Anyone? MC?

--riverman

check out http://www.flyfield.com/hare2.htm

mike o in knoxville
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"riverman" wrote in message
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I wonder if there's a link out there with a sketch of a hare's mask, and
sections marked out (like one of those butcher's guides for steaks, yum)
that name the regions and the properties for each, as well as which flies
those particular hairs are good for. Anyone? MC?

--riverman



http://www.flyfield.com/hare2.htm

for small flies, and if you want a smoother body, ( i.e softer hair which is
easily tapered etc) then use rabbit, or hare body fur. For very fine
dubbing, use rat or mouse.

Here are some other tips;
http://www.sexyloops.com/connorsmetre/grayling5.shtml

TL
MC

"Mike Connor" wrote in message
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for small flies, and if you want a smoother body, ( i.e softer hair which
is
easily tapered etc) then use rabbit, or hare body fur. For very fine
dubbing, use rat or mouse.



Rabbit fur is one of my favourites. Bluey underfur for dun bodies and the
guard hairs for the grhe-effect. Whilst in principle I'd say rat fur should
be quite good, I would probably never ever find out for sure!

Riverman writes:

I wonder if there's a link out there with a sketch of a hare's mask, and
sections marked out (like one of those butcher's guides for steaks, yum)
that name the regions and the properties for each, as well as which flies
those particular hairs are good for. Anyone? MC?

--riverman

For smaller flies, I don't use the hare's fur, but dubbing. I tie grhe down to
size 22 and do not use the fur. There is a lot of dubbing out there that could
be used. I use Hareline Dubbin and the fish don't seem to mind.

I also tie PTs using just brown thread and the gold wire rib. They have worked
*very* well on my Maine waters.

Dave

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:56:06 +0100, "riverman" wrote:

I wonder if there's a link out there with a sketch of a hare's mask, and
sections marked out (like one of those butcher's guides for steaks, yum)
that name the regions and the properties for each, as well as which flies
those particular hairs are good for. Anyone? MC?

Try Google, it found this right away: http://www.flyfield.com/hare2.htm
--
Charlie...

"riverman" wrote

The hare fur was all spikey and
made them rather bulbous

After years of tying I recently learned a new trick ( for this old dog )
For best slimness and control over dubbing, don't make a big effort to spin
it on the thread before starting to wrap. Just get it started and then the
first bit caught on the hook. Then as each wrap is completed use your
materials hand to tighten the noodle before the next wrap. This trick,
courtesy of a Rene Harrop video, makes it possible to dub MUCH tighter and
slimmer noodles and sculpt far nicer bodies, regardless of dubbing used.

FWIW, I have pretty much abandoned the GRHE and have replaced it in my box
of generic "could be most anything" ties with the Dave's Fox Squirrel ....
just seems to work better for me. I use a blend of natural belly fur and
synthetic antron blend the same color for the abdomen, and on smaller sizes
I usually pluck out most the guard hairs from the back fur used on the
thorax to help keep it from getting too spikey and large, leaving only a few
for "legs" and trying, always trying, to remember that "sparse = better"
.... as close to a truism as I can think of in fly tying and fishing

I've always thought of this as one of those flies that *ought* to look
pretty ragged - the more ragged the better, in my view.

Lazarus

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"Lazarus Cooke" wrote in message
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I've always thought of this as one of those flies that *ought* to look
pretty ragged - the more ragged the better, in my view.

Lazarus

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Indeed. There are quite a few flies that do better the more ragged and tatty
they are. It is however very difficult to convince people to tie them like
that!

TL
MC

"Mike Connor" wrote in
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Indeed. There are quite a few flies that do better the more ragged and
tatty they are. It is however very difficult to convince people to
tie them like that!

TL
MC




It's much more fun to tie them neat, and fish them to a state of ragged
effectiveness.

Scott