Swimming with waders experiment. READ THIS!!

On 10/30/04 1:55 PM, in article , "Darin Minor"
wrote:

You might also try falling in ( as in slipping on a rock)

You shoulda had Frank with you to do the testing.

Bill

Who loves ya, Frank? :-)

"Gary M" wrote in message
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riverman wrote:
I think if a fisherman fell into a steep-sided pool or stream while
wearing waders without a belt, they would quickly be in a very serious
life-threatening situation. The only way I can imagine getting out would
be to slice the waders open, or to somehow get them off.

On that point, do you think you could have got them off underwater in the
deep end?


I thought about trying that, but even in the warm pool and with no current,
I was very hesitant to try to get them off underwater. The thought of
having these things tangled around my legs was worrisome. I'm very certain
that, in a river emergency situation, by the time I thought about trying
that, I would be too cold and panicked to actually accomplish it. It would
involve unlacing the boots, getting them off, getting the gravel guards off,
removing my lifejacket, removing my wading jacket, removing any sweater I
put on after putting on my waders, unclipping the shoulder straps, loosening
the elastic, working the waders down over my legs, grabbing the toes and
pulling my legs out one at a time......you get the idea. I can't hold my
breath that long.

I think I'll do a followup experiement tomorrow. I want to know how much
water will get in if I don't backpaddle, and how hard it is to climb out
when the belt stays on. At that time, I think I'll try to remove them while
swimming and let you know how it goes. I might also put on my spare vest
with a few items in the pockets and see what affect that has.

If you don't hear from me, it didn't go well. ;-)

--riverman

PS: I did think an improvement to waders would be an 'emergency release'.
Imagine that, instead of being sewn on in back, the shoulder straps actually
run down inside the material of the waders where they are looped around a
strap that is inside a track, running parallel to the elastic cord. In an
emergency, you could reach inside the front of your waders, grab the end of
this strap, and pull it out (like removing the string in the waist of a pair
of sweat pants). Then shoulder straps would then be relased front and back,
and you could get the waders off without having to delayer all that gear.

Excellent service to the community, Myron, much appreciated. I
forwarded your message to all of my fishing buddies.

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Jarmo Hurri

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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:56:50 +0200, Jarmo Hurri
wrote:


Excellent service to the community, Myron, much appreciated. I
forwarded your message to all of my fishing buddies.


I echo that -- it was a public service.

Peter

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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:56:50 +0200, Jarmo Hurri
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Excellent service to the community, Myron, much appreciated. I
forwarded your message to all of my fishing buddies.


I echo that -- it was a public service.

Peter

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Nontheless, I did discover that some 'myths' about wearing wading
belts seem
patently untrue. In my test, there was absolutely NO BUOYANT EFFECT
from air
trapped in the legs, as it was squeezed out when I entered the water.
I
would maintain that any fisherman who was standing in water deeper
than
their waist would have the same thing happen as they entered the
water.
Therefore, there is no trapped air to float up your legs.

THIS IS ONLY TRUE IF YOU HAVE NO AIR IN THE LEGS TO START WITH. From
personal experience I can assure you that with air in the legs and
belt firmly buckled your legs will float to such an extent that you
have one hell a job to keep your head above water.

I can also endorse never wade alone.

Dave

wrote in message
...
Nontheless, I did discover that some 'myths' about wearing wading
belts seem
patently untrue. In my test, there was absolutely NO BUOYANT EFFECT
from air
trapped in the legs, as it was squeezed out when I entered the water.
I
would maintain that any fisherman who was standing in water deeper
than
their waist would have the same thing happen as they entered the
water.
Therefore, there is no trapped air to float up your legs.

THIS IS ONLY TRUE IF YOU HAVE NO AIR IN THE LEGS TO START WITH. From
personal experience I can assure you that with air in the legs and
belt firmly buckled your legs will float to such an extent that you
have one hell a job to keep your head above water.


My observation, Dave, was that as I waded into the water, the pressure of
the water squeezed the air out of the legs. It 'burped' out when I was just
about hip deep (belt-level). If someone falls off a rock or falls in from
shore, they might have air trapped in their legs. But if someone wades in to
a depth deeper than their belt, and then falls over, there shouldn't be any
air in their legs.

What were the details of your experience?
--riverman

probably a full reid

john
"riverman" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
Nontheless, I did discover that some 'myths' about wearing wading
belts seem
patently untrue. In my test, there was absolutely NO BUOYANT EFFECT
from air
trapped in the legs, as it was squeezed out when I entered the water.
I
would maintain that any fisherman who was standing in water deeper
than
their waist would have the same thing happen as they entered the
water.
Therefore, there is no trapped air to float up your legs.

THIS IS ONLY TRUE IF YOU HAVE NO AIR IN THE LEGS TO START WITH. From
personal experience I can assure you that with air in the legs and
belt firmly buckled your legs will float to such an extent that you
have one hell a job to keep your head above water.


My observation, Dave, was that as I waded into the water, the pressure of
the water squeezed the air out of the legs. It 'burped' out when I was
just
about hip deep (belt-level). If someone falls off a rock or falls in from
shore, they might have air trapped in their legs. But if someone wades in
to
a depth deeper than their belt, and then falls over, there shouldn't be
any
air in their legs.

What were the details of your experience?
--riverman

probably a full reid

john
"riverman" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
Nontheless, I did discover that some 'myths' about wearing wading
belts seem
patently untrue. In my test, there was absolutely NO BUOYANT EFFECT
from air
trapped in the legs, as it was squeezed out when I entered the water.
I
would maintain that any fisherman who was standing in water deeper
than
their waist would have the same thing happen as they entered the
water.
Therefore, there is no trapped air to float up your legs.

THIS IS ONLY TRUE IF YOU HAVE NO AIR IN THE LEGS TO START WITH. From
personal experience I can assure you that with air in the legs and
belt firmly buckled your legs will float to such an extent that you
have one hell a job to keep your head above water.


My observation, Dave, was that as I waded into the water, the pressure of
the water squeezed the air out of the legs. It 'burped' out when I was
just
about hip deep (belt-level). If someone falls off a rock or falls in from
shore, they might have air trapped in their legs. But if someone wades in
to
a depth deeper than their belt, and then falls over, there shouldn't be
any
air in their legs.

What were the details of your experience?
--riverman

probably a full reid

john
"riverman" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
Nontheless, I did discover that some 'myths' about wearing wading
belts seem
patently untrue. In my test, there was absolutely NO BUOYANT EFFECT
from air
trapped in the legs, as it was squeezed out when I entered the water.
I
would maintain that any fisherman who was standing in water deeper
than
their waist would have the same thing happen as they entered the
water.
Therefore, there is no trapped air to float up your legs.

THIS IS ONLY TRUE IF YOU HAVE NO AIR IN THE LEGS TO START WITH. From
personal experience I can assure you that with air in the legs and
belt firmly buckled your legs will float to such an extent that you
have one hell a job to keep your head above water.


My observation, Dave, was that as I waded into the water, the pressure of
the water squeezed the air out of the legs. It 'burped' out when I was
just
about hip deep (belt-level). If someone falls off a rock or falls in from
shore, they might have air trapped in their legs. But if someone wades in
to
a depth deeper than their belt, and then falls over, there shouldn't be
any
air in their legs.

What were the details of your experience?
--riverman