Is this really a big deal..........

or is all this trivial bickering about posting of commercial items more
frustration venting because of cabin fever?
I'm getting on my soapbox with flame retardant underwear
MY personal view of these types of post, whether they are from SW,
Rodney, ME, etc. is, no big deal. The people that post all contribute
in other ways and if they have an item that they sell and want to let
us know about it or a special offer that they have, let 'em. It's not
like I have to do anything but ignore the post if I don't like it. I am
always glad to hear about a new item or specials on products that are
FISHING related. How are these post different than an angler posting a
"product review"? IF you think these reviews are not influenced, I've
got a bridge for sale........
Another personal view that I have is, I feel it is much worse to
use vulgarity (especially in this group because I know of a couple of
18 yr old boys that lurk) than it is to post on topic, fishing related
product announcements. My thoughts are, when a persons starts with name
calling/vulgarity, the intelligent conversation has ended and the rest
is garbage. I have a motto that I try to stick to: "Never argue with an
idiot because he'll only drag you down to his level and beat you with
experience".
I'm amazed that the anti-Advertisement posters use the 'waste of
bandwidth' argument to backup their point, all the while, wasting
hundred's of times the bandwidth to make the point.
My point is, IF you don't like Rodney/Joe H./Duane/etc., don't
click on their posts or killfile them. Also, IF you must use vulgarity,
go to a new group that accepts this in their charter.
Also, IS it really important to point out someones
gramatical/spelling errors?
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com under "destruction"
~~

wrote:
or is all this trivial bickering about posting of commercial items more
frustration venting because of cabin fever?

I don't think it's trivial and I don't bicker just to bicker
even during cabin fever season. I truly believe that commercial
advertising in rec.* groups diminishes their usefulness and
undermines what it is they are supposed to be about. We are
here to share information, not to be inundated with commercials.

I'm getting on my soapbox with flame retardant underwear
snip
It's not
like I have to do anything but ignore the post if I don't like it.

So people who don't want to be SPAMmed on a non-commercial
newsgroup should ignore SPAM posts but people who don't like
complaints about SPAM should feel free to fire away ? I mean,
why didn't *you* just ignore the SPAM complaints ? Another
example of do as I say, not as I do.

snip
Another personal view that I have is, I feel it is much worse to
use vulgarity (especially in this group because I know of a couple of
18 yr old boys that lurk) than it is to post on topic, fishing related
product announcements.

In my opinion SPAM is much worse than the occasional swear
word but I have reported the so-called Illinois Fisherman to
his ISP although I kinda doubt anything will ever come of it.

snip
I'm amazed that the anti-Advertisement posters use the 'waste of
bandwidth' argument to backup their point, all the while, wasting
hundred's of times the bandwidth to make the point.

That's not one of *my* arguments. I'm quite happy to post SPAM
complaints here all day long without worrying one whit about
bandwidth.

snip
Also, IS it really important to point out someones
gramatical/spelling errors?

Important ? No. But when someone calls me an Idiot in the same
post that he misspells pompous the irony is too delicious to
ignore. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

wrote:
or is all this trivial bickering about posting of commercial items more
frustration venting because of cabin fever?

I don't think it's trivial and I don't bicker just to bicker
even during cabin fever season. I truly believe that commercial
advertising in rec.* groups diminishes their usefulness and
undermines what it is they are supposed to be about. We are
here to share information, not to be inundated with commercials.

I'm getting on my soapbox with flame retardant underwear
snip
It's not
like I have to do anything but ignore the post if I don't like it.

So people who don't want to be SPAMmed on a non-commercial
newsgroup should ignore SPAM posts but people who don't like
complaints about SPAM should feel free to fire away ? I mean,
why didn't *you* just ignore the SPAM complaints ? Another
example of do as I say, not as I do.

snip
Another personal view that I have is, I feel it is much worse to
use vulgarity (especially in this group because I know of a couple of
18 yr old boys that lurk) than it is to post on topic, fishing related
product announcements.

In my opinion SPAM is much worse than the occasional swear
word but I have reported the so-called Illinois Fisherman to
his ISP although I kinda doubt anything will ever come of it.

snip
I'm amazed that the anti-Advertisement posters use the 'waste of
bandwidth' argument to backup their point, all the while, wasting
hundred's of times the bandwidth to make the point.

That's not one of *my* arguments. I'm quite happy to post SPAM
complaints here all day long without worrying one whit about
bandwidth.

snip
Also, IS it really important to point out someones
gramatical/spelling errors?

Important ? No. But when someone calls me an Idiot in the same
post that he misspells pompous the irony is too delicious to
ignore. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

I don't think it's trivial and I don't bicker just to bicker
even during cabin fever season.

First of all, I did not single you or anyone else out in this
matter....but from what I've seen and since you were the first to
pipe-up about this, it SEEMS that you truely do get your jollies from
arguing....look at your past posts to see for yourself.
I truly believe that commercial
advertising in rec.* groups diminishes their usefulness and
undermines what it is they are supposed to be about. We are
here to share information, not to be inundated with commercials.

And Rodney's post about his new hook design and Joe's offer to give a
substantial discount on his product "diminished" this group how? By
educating you and giving you a chance at purchasing an item at a great
discount? I see how detrimental this is... I really fail to see how
these posts are bad for OUR group........

So people who don't want to be SPAMmed on a non-commercial
newsgroup should ignore SPAM posts but people who don't like
complaints about SPAM should feel free to fire away ? I mean,
why didn't *you* just ignore the SPAM complaints ? Another
example of do as I say, not as I do.

I did not say that I didn't ignore most of the posts...but when they
make up over 75% of the weekly posts, I wanted to see what all the
commotion was about.......and I didn't complain about them, just merely
stated what I perceived (yup, "i" before "e" except after "c") to be
most complainers opinion. Maybe I perceived wrong.......



In my opinion SPAM is much worse than the occasional swear
word but I have reported the so-called Illinois Fisherman to
his ISP although I kinda doubt anything will ever come of it.

Report him for what???? It seems to me that he was reposting public
information that YOU wrote on a public newsgroup. I guess anyone can be
the ROFB netcop.


snip
I'm amazed that the anti-Advertisement posters use the 'waste of
bandwidth' argument to backup their point, all the while, wasting
hundred's of times the bandwidth to make the point.

See above...


That's not one of *my* arguments. I'm quite happy to post SPAM
complaints here all day long without worrying one whit about
bandwidth.

My personal opinion is, you are content to complain about ANYTHING all
day long (since you brought yourself into this).


snip
Also, IS it really important to point out someones
gramatical/spelling errors?

Important ? No. But when someone calls me an Idiot in the same
post that he misspells pompous the irony is too delicious to
ignore. ;-)

Again, I wasn't specifically pointing to one instance or one person.
I've seen new group users get crucified because they left the caps lock
on, misused it's, its and its', etc. What I'm saying is, we can argue
about anything (even arguing) if we want. I'd much rather see a post
about a new product or a special on a product than listen to you girls
argue........

I would hope that this newsgroup is about learning, teaching and
fellowship, not tearing each other down. In the words of Rodney King:
"Can't we all get along?"
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com under "destruction"
~~

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

I don't think it's trivial and I don't bicker just to bicker
even during cabin fever season.

First of all, I did not single you or anyone else out in this
matter....but from what I've seen and since you were the first to
pipe-up about this, it SEEMS that you truely do get your jollies from
arguing....look at your past posts to see for yourself.
I truly believe that commercial
advertising in rec.* groups diminishes their usefulness and
undermines what it is they are supposed to be about. We are
here to share information, not to be inundated with commercials.

And Rodney's post about his new hook design and Joe's offer to give a
substantial discount on his product "diminished" this group how? By
educating you and giving you a chance at purchasing an item at a great
discount? I see how detrimental this is... I really fail to see how
these posts are bad for OUR group........

So people who don't want to be SPAMmed on a non-commercial
newsgroup should ignore SPAM posts but people who don't like
complaints about SPAM should feel free to fire away ? I mean,
why didn't *you* just ignore the SPAM complaints ? Another
example of do as I say, not as I do.

I did not say that I didn't ignore most of the posts...but when they
make up over 75% of the weekly posts, I wanted to see what all the
commotion was about.......and I didn't complain about them, just merely
stated what I perceived (yup, "i" before "e" except after "c") to be
most complainers opinion. Maybe I perceived wrong.......



In my opinion SPAM is much worse than the occasional swear
word but I have reported the so-called Illinois Fisherman to
his ISP although I kinda doubt anything will ever come of it.

Report him for what???? It seems to me that he was reposting public
information that YOU wrote on a public newsgroup. I guess anyone can be
the ROFB netcop.


snip
I'm amazed that the anti-Advertisement posters use the 'waste of
bandwidth' argument to backup their point, all the while, wasting
hundred's of times the bandwidth to make the point.

See above...


That's not one of *my* arguments. I'm quite happy to post SPAM
complaints here all day long without worrying one whit about
bandwidth.

My personal opinion is, you are content to complain about ANYTHING all
day long (since you brought yourself into this).


snip
Also, IS it really important to point out someones
gramatical/spelling errors?

Important ? No. But when someone calls me an Idiot in the same
post that he misspells pompous the irony is too delicious to
ignore. ;-)

Again, I wasn't specifically pointing to one instance or one person.
I've seen new group users get crucified because they left the caps lock
on, misused it's, its and its', etc. What I'm saying is, we can argue
about anything (even arguing) if we want. I'd much rather see a post
about a new product or a special on a product than listen to you girls
argue........

I would hope that this newsgroup is about learning, teaching and
fellowship, not tearing each other down. In the words of Rodney King:
"Can't we all get along?"
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com under "destruction"
~~

Ok Jack, take a deep breathe and relax. It aint worth it...

Bob sent a picture of you holding two really nice smallies! How about a
little info?

wrote in message
oups.com...
Ken Fortenberry wrote:

I don't think it's trivial and I don't bicker just to bicker
even during cabin fever season.

First of all, I did not single you or anyone else out in this
matter....but from what I've seen and since you were the first to
pipe-up about this, it SEEMS that you truely do get your jollies from
arguing....look at your past posts to see for yourself.
I truly believe that commercial
advertising in rec.* groups diminishes their usefulness and
undermines what it is they are supposed to be about. We are
here to share information, not to be inundated with commercials.

And Rodney's post about his new hook design and Joe's offer to give a
substantial discount on his product "diminished" this group how? By
educating you and giving you a chance at purchasing an item at a great
discount? I see how detrimental this is... I really fail to see how
these posts are bad for OUR group........

So people who don't want to be SPAMmed on a non-commercial
newsgroup should ignore SPAM posts but people who don't like
complaints about SPAM should feel free to fire away ? I mean,
why didn't *you* just ignore the SPAM complaints ? Another
example of do as I say, not as I do.

I did not say that I didn't ignore most of the posts...but when they
make up over 75% of the weekly posts, I wanted to see what all the
commotion was about.......and I didn't complain about them, just merely
stated what I perceived (yup, "i" before "e" except after "c") to be
most complainers opinion. Maybe I perceived wrong.......



In my opinion SPAM is much worse than the occasional swear
word but I have reported the so-called Illinois Fisherman to
his ISP although I kinda doubt anything will ever come of it.

Report him for what???? It seems to me that he was reposting public
information that YOU wrote on a public newsgroup. I guess anyone can be
the ROFB netcop.


snip
I'm amazed that the anti-Advertisement posters use the 'waste of
bandwidth' argument to backup their point, all the while, wasting
hundred's of times the bandwidth to make the point.

See above...


That's not one of *my* arguments. I'm quite happy to post SPAM
complaints here all day long without worrying one whit about
bandwidth.

My personal opinion is, you are content to complain about ANYTHING all
day long (since you brought yourself into this).


snip
Also, IS it really important to point out someones
gramatical/spelling errors?

Important ? No. But when someone calls me an Idiot in the same
post that he misspells pompous the irony is too delicious to
ignore. ;-)

Again, I wasn't specifically pointing to one instance or one person.
I've seen new group users get crucified because they left the caps lock
on, misused it's, its and its', etc. What I'm saying is, we can argue
about anything (even arguing) if we want. I'd much rather see a post
about a new product or a special on a product than listen to you girls
argue........

I would hope that this newsgroup is about learning, teaching and
fellowship, not tearing each other down. In the words of Rodney King:
"Can't we all get along?"
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com under "destruction"
~~

Ok Jack, take a deep breathe and relax. It aint worth it...

Bob sent a picture of you holding two really nice smallies! How about a
little info?

wrote in message
oups.com...
Ken Fortenberry wrote:

I don't think it's trivial and I don't bicker just to bicker
even during cabin fever season.

First of all, I did not single you or anyone else out in this
matter....but from what I've seen and since you were the first to
pipe-up about this, it SEEMS that you truely do get your jollies from
arguing....look at your past posts to see for yourself.
I truly believe that commercial
advertising in rec.* groups diminishes their usefulness and
undermines what it is they are supposed to be about. We are
here to share information, not to be inundated with commercials.

And Rodney's post about his new hook design and Joe's offer to give a
substantial discount on his product "diminished" this group how? By
educating you and giving you a chance at purchasing an item at a great
discount? I see how detrimental this is... I really fail to see how
these posts are bad for OUR group........

So people who don't want to be SPAMmed on a non-commercial
newsgroup should ignore SPAM posts but people who don't like
complaints about SPAM should feel free to fire away ? I mean,
why didn't *you* just ignore the SPAM complaints ? Another
example of do as I say, not as I do.

I did not say that I didn't ignore most of the posts...but when they
make up over 75% of the weekly posts, I wanted to see what all the
commotion was about.......and I didn't complain about them, just merely
stated what I perceived (yup, "i" before "e" except after "c") to be
most complainers opinion. Maybe I perceived wrong.......



In my opinion SPAM is much worse than the occasional swear
word but I have reported the so-called Illinois Fisherman to
his ISP although I kinda doubt anything will ever come of it.

Report him for what???? It seems to me that he was reposting public
information that YOU wrote on a public newsgroup. I guess anyone can be
the ROFB netcop.


snip
I'm amazed that the anti-Advertisement posters use the 'waste of
bandwidth' argument to backup their point, all the while, wasting
hundred's of times the bandwidth to make the point.

See above...


That's not one of *my* arguments. I'm quite happy to post SPAM
complaints here all day long without worrying one whit about
bandwidth.

My personal opinion is, you are content to complain about ANYTHING all
day long (since you brought yourself into this).


snip
Also, IS it really important to point out someones
gramatical/spelling errors?

Important ? No. But when someone calls me an Idiot in the same
post that he misspells pompous the irony is too delicious to
ignore. ;-)

Again, I wasn't specifically pointing to one instance or one person.
I've seen new group users get crucified because they left the caps lock
on, misused it's, its and its', etc. What I'm saying is, we can argue
about anything (even arguing) if we want. I'd much rather see a post
about a new product or a special on a product than listen to you girls
argue........

I would hope that this newsgroup is about learning, teaching and
fellowship, not tearing each other down. In the words of Rodney King:
"Can't we all get along?"
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com under "destruction"
~~

Charles Summers wrote:
Ok Jack, take a deep breathe and relax. It aint worth it...

Bob sent a picture of you holding two really nice smallies! How about
a
little info?

Charles,
I thought that I sent that to you too. It was of the final day (day
2) of our Buckeye Division BFL SuperTournament on the Sandusky Bay. The
first day I weighed in with 17-14, the day pictured my 5 fish limit
went 22-5. I finished 4th for the two days. The fish in my right hand
went 5-5.
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com
~~

Charles Summers wrote:
Ok Jack, take a deep breathe and relax. It aint worth it...

Bob sent a picture of you holding two really nice smallies! How about
a
little info?

Charles,
I thought that I sent that to you too. It was of the final day (day
2) of our Buckeye Division BFL SuperTournament on the Sandusky Bay. The
first day I weighed in with 17-14, the day pictured my 5 fish limit
went 22-5. I finished 4th for the two days. The fish in my right hand
went 5-5.
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com
~~

Awesome man... one of these days I'm going to have a tournament like that! A
5lb smallie is a very nice fish! One of these days....

We fished Dale Hollow one night last summer, and I caught a 21" smallie but
didn't weigh it. It was the only one I caught that night, but was worth the
whole trip.

Oh yeah, you didn't correct my spelling in my reply. That's breath, not
breathe. LOL

wrote in message
oups.com...

Charles Summers wrote:
Ok Jack, take a deep breathe and relax. It aint worth it...

Bob sent a picture of you holding two really nice smallies! How about
a
little info?

Charles,
I thought that I sent that to you too. It was of the final day (day
2) of our Buckeye Division BFL SuperTournament on the Sandusky Bay. The
first day I weighed in with 17-14, the day pictured my 5 fish limit
went 22-5. I finished 4th for the two days. The fish in my right hand
went 5-5.
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com
~~