Caddis Pupae

"Peter Charles" wrote in message
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Sure the larval flies will take fish but a dead drifted pupa, fished
at the right depth will take a helluva lot more if it's fished during
an emergence.

admitted, but has LaFontaine's sparkle pupae been improved upon??
The colors might be tinkered with a bit, but a lot of what a fish seems to
see of pupae is brightness and reflected light.

Nor do we spend enough time with diving females. My very first trout
was taken on an EHC when I was dragging it behind me as I waded
upstream. Hardly the romantic image of one's first trout, but an
object lesson that cadddis don't behave like mayflies. I've since
taken a lot of fish on diving caddis.

I'm convinced many,if not most, of the trout I've taken on traditional
winged wets we due to trout looking for diving female caddis.

.. It's worth doing
the research.

It's damn near a religion to do so where I live.....the Tulpehocken is a
tail water, and as such, has a lot of different caddis of all sizes.
Imitation of them at several stages is a necessity to succeed much of the
season.

Last year, I put some effort into developing caddis wets with a bit of
success. It was enough to encourage further efforts into producing a
class of flies specifically targeting caddis emergence on either the
swung line or the sunk line. Hopefully they'll take a few fish this
year too.

Have I unloaded any Submergers on you?? If not, remind me at Penn's.
Or, as an old Jefferson Airplane song was titled, "Something of Value will
come to you Shortly"(or, something like that). At any rate, I want you to
give me an A/B trial with your technique versus your emerger and female
diver imitations. You might like them.

Tom

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:36:32 GMT, "Thomas Littleton"
wrote:


"Peter Charles" wrote in message
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Sure the larval flies will take fish but a dead drifted pupa, fished
at the right depth will take a helluva lot more if it's fished during
an emergence.

admitted, but has LaFontaine's sparkle pupae been improved upon??
The colors might be tinkered with a bit, but a lot of what a fish seems to
see of pupae is brightness and reflected light.

Nor do we spend enough time with diving females. My very first trout
was taken on an EHC when I was dragging it behind me as I waded
upstream. Hardly the romantic image of one's first trout, but an
object lesson that cadddis don't behave like mayflies. I've since
taken a lot of fish on diving caddis.

I'm convinced many,if not most, of the trout I've taken on traditional
winged wets we due to trout looking for diving female caddis.

. It's worth doing
the research.

It's damn near a religion to do so where I live.....the Tulpehocken is a
tail water, and as such, has a lot of different caddis of all sizes.
Imitation of them at several stages is a necessity to succeed much of the
season.

Last year, I put some effort into developing caddis wets with a bit of
success. It was enough to encourage further efforts into producing a
class of flies specifically targeting caddis emergence on either the
swung line or the sunk line. Hopefully they'll take a few fish this
year too.

Have I unloaded any Submergers on you?? If not, remind me at Penn's.
Or, as an old Jefferson Airplane song was titled, "Something of Value will
come to you Shortly"(or, something like that). At any rate, I want you to
give me an A/B trial with your technique versus your emerger and female
diver imitations. You might like them.

Tom



Nope, no submergers -- will run some trials if the Penns River Gods
smile on us.

I've fished winged wets and done OK on them but the fussiness of
getting good quill wings them have them survive the first fish, has
turned me off of the style. Still have some in my boxes that I dredge
out now and again.

Peter

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"Peter Charles" wrote


Thanks for the suggestions guys, however, I'm hoping to find
entomology sites rather than fly tying sites so I can find the
pictures of the actual bugs rather than somebody's idea of what the
fly should be.


In my limited experience you are dead on track .... catching the real bug
and using that as a model is FAR more satisfying than imitating an imitation
..... but 99% of flies are developed the second way, varying existing
patterns without ever looking at a bug.

After your research, you'll likely end up with something similar to existing
flies but you'll fish it with much more confidence ... the key ingredient of
any pattern, imho.

I'm just started on my own selection of "copied from real models" patterns,
maybe 1/3 the bugs I fish over ... it is very worth the effort.

The first was a Trico spinner 10 years ago. After a long not very
successful day watching fish reject a store bought poly wing spinner on
Silver Creek I broke down, seined some bugs, got out the magnifier and ...
Whoa, Homer .. they don't look that much like the store bought pattern. I
dug through my stuff, tied up a couple different experiments and the next
day I hooked fish nearly at will, even broke one fish off then landed him
later with my new pattern still stuck in his jaw and got my fly back. I
got so damn arrogant that I stopped on Kilpatrick Bridge and told some guy
to pick out a fish and I'd catch it ... did catch the one he pointed to, too
G ( although I detected his "what as asshole" glance and have regretted my
arrogant display ever since then .... but that is what real models can do to
you :-)

I know it's Winter, but catching the bug is better than even a good picture

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:22:19 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:


"Peter Charles" wrote


Thanks for the suggestions guys, however, I'm hoping to find
entomology sites rather than fly tying sites so I can find the
pictures of the actual bugs rather than somebody's idea of what the
fly should be.


In my limited experience you are dead on track .... catching the real bug
and using that as a model is FAR more satisfying than imitating an imitation
.... but 99% of flies are developed the second way, varying existing
patterns without ever looking at a bug.

After your research, you'll likely end up with something similar to existing
flies but you'll fish it with much more confidence ... the key ingredient of
any pattern, imho.

I'm just started on my own selection of "copied from real models" patterns,
maybe 1/3 the bugs I fish over ... it is very worth the effort.

The first was a Trico spinner 10 years ago. After a long not very
successful day watching fish reject a store bought poly wing spinner on
Silver Creek I broke down, seined some bugs, got out the magnifier and ...
Whoa, Homer .. they don't look that much like the store bought pattern. I
dug through my stuff, tied up a couple different experiments and the next
day I hooked fish nearly at will, even broke one fish off then landed him
later with my new pattern still stuck in his jaw and got my fly back. I
got so damn arrogant that I stopped on Kilpatrick Bridge and told some guy
to pick out a fish and I'd catch it ... did catch the one he pointed to, too
G ( although I detected his "what as asshole" glance and have regretted my
arrogant display ever since then .... but that is what real models can do to
you :-)

I know it's Winter, but catching the bug is better than even a good picture


Ya, fun to do that eh? I had a gentleman on one nice Grand day, who
felt that it was necessary to give me detailed instructions on my dry
technique (or lack thereof). Anyway, the risers were mostly big creek
chubs in full maiting colours so I hung on a mini-brown instead and
after catching about a dozen browns in the space of about 15 minutes,
including the biggest fish in the pool that he had fished to
unsuccessfully, he eventually broke down and asked me what I was
using. Loved it!

Peter

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"Peter Charles" wrote in message
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Nor do we spend enough time with diving females.

Well, sure, there's that. But your research doesn't seem to address this,
the much more interesting of the problems.

Danl

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:10:34 -0800, "Danl"
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"Peter Charles" wrote in message
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[snip]

Nor do we spend enough time with diving females.

Well, sure, there's that. But your research doesn't seem to address this,
the much more interesting of the problems.

Danl


Noted: Just a matter of finding the right pool, eh?


Peter

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"Peter Charles" wrote

Looking for photos of real caddis pupea of the more common genera like


http://www.pbase.com/michellemahood/image/29614395

all of her photos are damn good

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:25:35 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:


"Peter Charles" wrote

Looking for photos of real caddis pupea of the more common genera like


http://www.pbase.com/michellemahood/image/29614395

all of her photos are damn good



Yup. Some really nice shots -- thanks.

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Peter Charles wrote in
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Looking for photos of real caddis pupea of the more common genera like
Hydropsyche, Cheumatopsyche, and Rhyacophilia.

I've done the Google image scan and only dredged up a few worthwhile
candidates.

The goal is to be able to reproduce the most important species as
Yorkshire style wets for fishing on a swung line.

Peter

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I think Ian Miller's book on the Grand has some good Hydorpsyche pupa in it

Scott

On 24 Jan 2005 14:47:29 GMT, Scott Seidman
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Peter Charles wrote in
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Looking for photos of real caddis pupea of the more common genera like
Hydropsyche, Cheumatopsyche, and Rhyacophilia.

I've done the Google image scan and only dredged up a few worthwhile
candidates.

The goal is to be able to reproduce the most important species as
Yorkshire style wets for fishing on a swung line.

Peter

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I think Ian Miller's book on the Grand has some good Hydorpsyche pupa in it

Scott


Ya, and I lent it to a certain related person, who shall remain
nameless, and now he can't remember what he did with it.

Peter

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