A Plea for help & a head's up

"rw" wrote

I've had some great days in the Willows in late October and November
when I've seen maybe two other fishermen.

I've never been there that time of year ... Or, for the Brown Drakes in
early season .... maybe somedayG


Ever fish the ????? canal ? .... my mind is drawing a blank on the name ....
you cross it about where you cross the Wood when you are heading south
towards Twin Falls ....... rip rap lined and ugly beyond belief G but it
used to fish great with a scud

I'd run down there and catch a couple most trips and ( shh ... don't tell
anyone ) eat them ... My guess is that the drought has destroyed the
fishery, for the time being .... Richfield, or Richvale ... something like
that ..... old brains take longer G

opps I see sun shine better go for my bike ride ... trying to fight my huge
gut ( it's winning :-(( ) and bad knees and have to stick with non impact
exercise ..... just do it, Larry

Scott Seidman wrote:




Yes. I have one such creek within 45 minutes of me. Parts are stocked,
but there are impenetrable barriers between stocked and unstocked
sections. Part of this wild section is catch and release, artificials
only. Believe it or not, a wild part with almost no access is three
fish, any size, any method during trout season, C and R artificials only
outside of trout season. This sections regs are a compromise, after the
DEC had 3 fish any size any method 12 months put up there.

There's a trib to this creek that is also unstocked with pretty
restrictive regs.

As an aside, NY is starting a two fish limit for fish over 12". This is
interesting, because the real motivation (though some in the DEC deny
this) is to try to keep two year old stockies in the water a little
longer. It's a little funny how they're managing for stockies.


Colorado used to "manage for stockies" too. Their change in policy was
an unexpected benefit of Whirling Disease. When the hatcheries got WD,
the State stopped stocking catchables in the vast majority of the
State's waters. I think that the fishing has improved since stocking was
stopped. I'm concerned that now that the State has cleaned up the
hatcheries, they will go back to massive stockings of catchables. So far
that hasn't happened.

Willi

Larry L wrote:


nothing seems to increase fishing pressure as much as 'special regs,' I
recently mentioned to a fly shop owning buddy that a certain local spot has
hatches good enough that with FF only C&R regs the fish might get big enough
and smart enough to make it really great .. his reply?. " I hope it never
happens, you wouldn't be able to find a place to park because of all the Bay
Area guys that would be there if the regs were changed." .... he has a point


Same thing I see in Colorado. When I brought that up here a couple of
years ago, people from back East thought I was nuts. I don't know if
things have changed, but according to what they said, special regs
waters back East have fewer anglers.

Willi

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:25:43 -0700, Willi wrote:



Larry L wrote:


nothing seems to increase fishing pressure as much as 'special regs,' I
recently mentioned to a fly shop owning buddy that a certain local spot has
hatches good enough that with FF only C&R regs the fish might get big enough
and smart enough to make it really great .. his reply?. " I hope it never
happens, you wouldn't be able to find a place to park because of all the Bay
Area guys that would be there if the regs were changed." .... he has a point


Same thing I see in Colorado. When I brought that up here a couple of
years ago, people from back East thought I was nuts. I don't know if
things have changed, but according to what they said, special regs
waters back East have fewer anglers.

Willi




The Ontario fishing community has a definite meat mentality so you
immediately cut out a huge swath of the angling public when you go
C&R. Only a very tiny portion of Ontario's water is C&R so it isn't
much of a blip on the collective minds of our anglers. The only
rumbling I've heard was the introduction of C&R into some steelhead
and smallie water on the Grand. The meat fishing locals are blaming
the fly fishers for that one but it was actually the GRCA and MNR with
the "Heritage Waters" status of the Grand. I wasn't aware of any
politicking for expanding C&R by fly fishers but some of the fly shop
owners might have been involved. The smallie population has been in a
serious decline of late so the C&R regs will help it to rebound.
Should be really nice in about five years.

Peter

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jeezus, i am stunned that the deafening sound of the gloating that
emanated from the boat wasn't heard all the way to boone. of course, was
it was mixed with the incessant criticism of my every movement on the
water, the sound might have been a bit difficult to decipher... g

it was a nice 3-4 pound fish caught on an ultralight spinning rig. i
think jim set the drag purposely loose so he could guffaw accompaniment
as it sang for 5 minutes.

jeff

Wayne Harrison wrote:

"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:vXm_b.13016$iB.1742@lakeread06...

went shad fishing yesterday with pj... the first shad of the season (for
my boat) was caught... but, not by me. dammit..


i am *amazed* that i haven't yet had a phone call on that little trip...

yfitp
wayno

Willi wrote:


Same thing I see in Colorado. When I brought that up here a couple of
years ago, people from back East thought I was nuts. I don't know if
things have changed, but according to what they said, special regs
waters back East have fewer anglers.

in nc, probably related more to difficult access issues than the regs...
my experience is that *most* anglers are lazy or driven by convenience.

jeff

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:25:43 -0700, Willi wrote:

Same thing I see in Colorado. When I brought that up here a couple of
years ago, people from back East thought I was nuts. I don't know if
things have changed, but according to what they said, special regs
waters back East have fewer anglers.

In GA they have fewer anglers, but probably more fly fishermen. Most
of the fishermen I run into on non special reg streams are fishing to
keep fish.
--
Charlie...

"Larry L" wrote in news:Air_b.78434
:

nothing seems to increase fishing pressure as much as 'special regs,'

I tend to agree. It doesn't make any difference what the special regs are,
in fact. If it's singled out in the regulations circular, it will get
added pressure

Scott

Jeff Miller wrote:


Willi wrote:


Same thing I see in Colorado. When I brought that up here a couple of
years ago, people from back East thought I was nuts. I don't know if
things have changed, but according to what they said, special regs
waters back East have fewer anglers.


in nc, probably related more to difficult access issues than the regs...
my experience is that *most* anglers are lazy or driven by convenience.


That's true anywhere.

Willi

well, perhaps...but special regs in nc don't equal more anglers, as you
suggest. so what do you think makes the difference... more effete
fukkers in the west?

jeff



Same thing I see in Colorado. When I brought that up here a couple of
years ago, people from back East thought I was nuts. I don't know if
things have changed, but according to what they said, special regs
waters back East have fewer anglers.



in nc, probably related more to difficult access issues than the
regs... my experience is that *most* anglers are lazy or driven by
convenience.



That's true anywhere.

Willi