OT But Very Interesting

This was posted this morning over on talk.origins. Pretty well done
and thought provoking.


http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...6c2cd556e07ff1


g.c.

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:28:48 -0600, George Cleveland
wrote:

This was posted this morning over on talk.origins. Pretty well done
and thought provoking.


http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...6c2cd556e07ff1


g.c.

Yep, thought-provoking...it provoked me to think that dorks who call
themselves "darksyde" are probably not very good prophets or
prognosticators. Let me whip you up a coupla-more scenarios:

1. The Asians (and Europeans), with a much older "civilisations" than
"American" "civilisation," hit their peaks long ago, and are now
desperately trying to gasp their last. Their populations are exploding
beyond their capacity to support themselves and they will soon burn
themselves out. A last-ditch effort to take over the Americas will
result in their final and total destruction, and soon, American-style
civilisation will be the only survivor, or,

2. The Asians, having had "civilisation" for thousands of years longer
than the west, will use up all the petroleum currently under their
control and realize they never really needed it, and go back to what
supported them for those 1000s of years prior to "modern" technology.
They'll succeed because they'll be the only "civilisation" who still has
the capacity to cope without Starbucks, Mickey D's, Wal-Mart, Marks and
Sparks, Carrefour, Dalhaize, etc.

3. Little green men from Mars (or Venus, if you prefer) land in world
capitals and either vaporize all of mankind or bring a method to power
all of the earth using 2 boxes of corn puffs and a six-pack of ginger
ale, and, as a bonus, world peace. As a weird side effect, Ken adopts a
kitten he calls "my sweet little Ancil" and Louie marries Al Franken in
Gadsden, Alabama in a Moslem-pagan-civil ceremony before renouncing his
American citizenship and moving to the Rive Gauche to run a trendy
boutique hotel...

HTH,
R

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:23:32 -0600, wrote:

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:28:48 -0600, George Cleveland
wrote:

This was posted this morning over on talk.origins. Pretty well done
and thought provoking.


http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...6c2cd556e07ff1


g.c.

Yep, thought-provoking...it provoked me to think that dorks who call
themselves "darksyde" are probably not very good prophets or
prognosticators. Let me whip you up a coupla-more scenarios:

1. The Asians (and Europeans), with a much older "civilisations" than
"American" "civilisation," hit their peaks long ago, and are now
desperately trying to gasp their last. Their populations are exploding
beyond their capacity to support themselves and they will soon burn
themselves out. A last-ditch effort to take over the Americas will
result in their final and total destruction, and soon, American-style
civilisation will be the only survivor, or,

2. The Asians, having had "civilisation" for thousands of years longer
than the west, will use up all the petroleum currently under their
control and realize they never really needed it, and go back to what
supported them for those 1000s of years prior to "modern" technology.
They'll succeed because they'll be the only "civilisation" who still has
the capacity to cope without Starbucks, Mickey D's, Wal-Mart, Marks and
Sparks, Carrefour, Dalhaize, etc.

3. Little green men from Mars (or Venus, if you prefer) land in world
capitals and either vaporize all of mankind or bring a method to power
all of the earth using 2 boxes of corn puffs and a six-pack of ginger
ale, and, as a bonus, world peace. As a weird side effect, Ken adopts a
kitten he calls "my sweet little Ancil" and Louie marries Al Franken in
Gadsden, Alabama in a Moslem-pagan-civil ceremony before renouncing his
American citizenship and moving to the Rive Gauche to run a trendy
boutique hotel...

HTH,
R


Sounds like you basically agree with him Richard.

g.c.

"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
Sounds like you basically agree with him Richard.

How would one know? Ricky has nothing to say, after all.

Meanwhile, "DarkSyde" is a stupid name.........presumably calculated to
ensure that what few thinking human beings reside on the planet will not
take its bearer seriously. Moreover, there is nothing new in his or her
vision. It's all been said......and proved true......many times before.
Maybe "Cassandra" was a stupid name in its day too......I dunno. At any
rate, the message remains as clear, for those who choose to listen, as it
ever was, and this is one of the more articulate and evocative versions of
it that I've run across. Thought provoking indeed......for those inclined
to think. Unfortunately, the vast majority agree, as they always have, with
the philosophy encapsulated in the observation that;

"Maybe it would be better not to know."

But, they'll never know.....because they don't......and they don't want to.

But their children or grandchildren most certainly will.

Wolfgang
for whom the issue is moot.

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:03:27 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


"George Cleveland" wrote in message
.. .
Sounds like you basically agree with him Richard.

How would one know? Ricky has nothing to say, after all.

Moreover, there is nothing new in his or her
vision. It's all been said......and proved true......many times before.

Unfortunately, the vast majority agree, as they always have, with
the philosophy encapsulated in the observation that;

"Maybe it would be better not to know."

But, they'll never know.....because they don't......and they don't want to.

_But their children or grandchildren most certainly will._ (Emp. add.)

Uh-huh...see above...

wrote in message
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:03:27 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


"George Cleveland" wrote in message
. ..
Sounds like you basically agree with him Richard.

How would one know? Ricky has nothing to say, after all.

Moreover, there is nothing new in his or her
vision. It's all been said......and proved true......many times before.

Unfortunately, the vast majority agree, as they always have, with
the philosophy encapsulated in the observation that;

"Maybe it would be better not to know."

But, they'll never know.....because they don't......and they don't want
to.

_But their children or grandchildren most certainly will._ (Emp. add.)

Uh-huh...see above...

Ever wonder how life might be different if you had something to say?

Wolfgang
hee, hee, hee.

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:03:27 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


"George Cleveland" wrote in message
. ..
Sounds like you basically agree with him Richard.

How would one know? Ricky has nothing to say, after all.

Moreover, there is nothing new in his or her
vision. It's all been said......and proved true......many times before.

Unfortunately, the vast majority agree, as they always have, with
the philosophy encapsulated in the observation that;

"Maybe it would be better not to know."

But, they'll never know.....because they don't......and they don't want
to.

_But their children or grandchildren most certainly will._ (Emp. add.)

Uh-huh...see above...

Ever wonder how life might be different if you had something to say?

Wolfgang
hee, hee, hee.

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:03:27 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


"George Cleveland" wrote in message
.. .
Sounds like you basically agree with him Richard.

How would one know? Ricky has nothing to say, after all.

Moreover, there is nothing new in his or her
vision. It's all been said......and proved true......many times before.

Unfortunately, the vast majority agree, as they always have, with
the philosophy encapsulated in the observation that;

"Maybe it would be better not to know."

But, they'll never know.....because they don't......and they don't want to.

_But their children or grandchildren most certainly will._ (Emp. add.)

Uh-huh...see above...

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:31:45 -0600, George Cleveland
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:23:32 -0600, wrote:

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:28:48 -0600, George Cleveland
wrote:

This was posted this morning over on talk.origins. Pretty well done
and thought provoking.


http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...6c2cd556e07ff1


g.c.

Yep, thought-provoking...it provoked me to think that dorks who call
themselves "darksyde" are probably not very good prophets or
prognosticators. Let me whip you up a coupla-more scenarios:

1. The Asians (and Europeans), with a much older "civilisations" than
"American" "civilisation," hit their peaks long ago, and are now
desperately trying to gasp their last. Their populations are exploding
beyond their capacity to support themselves and they will soon burn
themselves out. A last-ditch effort to take over the Americas will
result in their final and total destruction, and soon, American-style
civilisation will be the only survivor, or,

2. The Asians, having had "civilisation" for thousands of years longer
than the west, will use up all the petroleum currently under their
control and realize they never really needed it, and go back to what
supported them for those 1000s of years prior to "modern" technology.
They'll succeed because they'll be the only "civilisation" who still has
the capacity to cope without Starbucks, Mickey D's, Wal-Mart, Marks and
Sparks, Carrefour, Dalhaize, etc.

3. Little green men from Mars (or Venus, if you prefer) land in world
capitals and either vaporize all of mankind or bring a method to power
all of the earth using 2 boxes of corn puffs and a six-pack of ginger
ale, and, as a bonus, world peace. As a weird side effect, Ken adopts a
kitten he calls "my sweet little Ancil" and Louie marries Al Franken in
Gadsden, Alabama in a Moslem-pagan-civil ceremony before renouncing his
American citizenship and moving to the Rive Gauche to run a trendy
boutique hotel...

HTH,
R


Sounds like you basically agree with him Richard.

Nope, sorry, no dark, doom-n-gloom syde for me. While an immediate end
to the availability of "oil" would be a mess, that's not what's
happening or going to happen. The gradual, anticipated decline won't be
any more than a transition as new technologies in recovery (do a lookup
on "Barnett shale") will simply replace the old ones, extending the
availability, along with concurrent phase-in of new fuel and power
technologies. People looking in from the (complete) outside put WAY too
much importance on "oil" (and granted, some on the inside do, too). As
I've mentioned here before, IMO, fuel cells and similar, along with
surface-produceables (ethanol, etc.), will be the next phase. Look at
coal, whale oil, wood, peat, etc. as similar models of replaced (or
substantially-replaced) fuel sources.

TC,
R

True, but instead of declaring 'war on oil' and searching for alternatives
now, we are gouging the less fortunate than Haliburton.

If these were the reserves of your family (rhetorically speaking) we would
be a lot farther along with other energy sources than we are now.

money talks.... to those who have it.
IMHO john
wrote in message
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:31:45 -0600, George Cleveland
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:23:32 -0600, wrote:

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:28:48 -0600, George Cleveland
wrote:

This was posted this morning over on talk.origins. Pretty well done
and thought provoking.



http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...ead/thread/240
9ad59c1404624/536c2cd556e07ff1#536c2cd556e07ff1


g.c.

Yep, thought-provoking...it provoked me to think that dorks who call
themselves "darksyde" are probably not very good prophets or
prognosticators. Let me whip you up a coupla-more scenarios:

1. The Asians (and Europeans), with a much older "civilisations" than
"American" "civilisation," hit their peaks long ago, and are now
desperately trying to gasp their last. Their populations are exploding
beyond their capacity to support themselves and they will soon burn
themselves out. A last-ditch effort to take over the Americas will
result in their final and total destruction, and soon, American-style
civilisation will be the only survivor, or,

2. The Asians, having had "civilisation" for thousands of years longer
than the west, will use up all the petroleum currently under their
control and realize they never really needed it, and go back to what
supported them for those 1000s of years prior to "modern" technology.
They'll succeed because they'll be the only "civilisation" who still has
the capacity to cope without Starbucks, Mickey D's, Wal-Mart, Marks and
Sparks, Carrefour, Dalhaize, etc.

3. Little green men from Mars (or Venus, if you prefer) land in world
capitals and either vaporize all of mankind or bring a method to power
all of the earth using 2 boxes of corn puffs and a six-pack of ginger
ale, and, as a bonus, world peace. As a weird side effect, Ken adopts a
kitten he calls "my sweet little Ancil" and Louie marries Al Franken in
Gadsden, Alabama in a Moslem-pagan-civil ceremony before renouncing his
American citizenship and moving to the Rive Gauche to run a trendy
boutique hotel...

HTH,
R


Sounds like you basically agree with him Richard.

Nope, sorry, no dark, doom-n-gloom syde for me. While an immediate end
to the availability of "oil" would be a mess, that's not what's
happening or going to happen. The gradual, anticipated decline won't be
any more than a transition as new technologies in recovery (do a lookup
on "Barnett shale") will simply replace the old ones, extending the
availability, along with concurrent phase-in of new fuel and power
technologies. People looking in from the (complete) outside put WAY too
much importance on "oil" (and granted, some on the inside do, too). As
I've mentioned here before, IMO, fuel cells and similar, along with
surface-produceables (ethanol, etc.), will be the next phase. Look at
coal, whale oil, wood, peat, etc. as similar models of replaced (or
substantially-replaced) fuel sources.

TC,
R