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rw wrote:

I wonder how much of our economy is "under the table" -- cash payments
off the books. I know a lot of people who work that way, and they aren't
all illegal aliens, though a couple are. I think it's a hell of a lot of
the economy, and I'm not even counting drug transactions.


in my opinion based solely on years of anecdotal and personal
experience, there is a significant under-the-table economy among the
middle class self-employed work force.

jeff

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:33:14 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
I'm not buying your
non-exploitive, benevolent employer of illegals bull****.
yada yada yada snipped
Ah, well, what goes around comes around, I
summose...used to be, the lives of yer chinks and micks were worth a
whole lot less than that of yer negroes...
What in the hell does any of that nonsense have to do with
chiselers hiring illegals off-the-books so they don't have
to pay Social Security, Workmen's Comp or any other payroll
tax like a legit employer ?

Ken, based on the above, I'd offer that you really don't what you are
talking about.
snip
The long and short of it is anyone who makes a blanket statement about
those who hire illegals simply demonstrates not only their lack of
knowledge about it, but their closed-minded determination to stay
uninformed.

Was that supposed to be a microeconomics lecture or the closing
argument in a chiseler's trial ?

And I'm still not buying your bull****.

Of course not...you're obviously just another unknowledgeable consumer
of marginal taste who doesn't care about HOW his wants are met, only
that they ARE met...I mean, Geezus, you drink BUDWEISER, fer God
sakes...

Oh, this ain't gonna help, I reckon,
R

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
And I'm still not buying your bull****.

Of course not...you're obviously just another unknowledgeable consumer
of marginal taste who doesn't care about HOW his wants are met, only
that they ARE met...I mean, Geezus, you drink BUDWEISER, fer God
sakes...

So far as I know all employees at the Anheuser Busch Brewery
are legal workers paid on the up and up and not under the
table. They have health care, workmen's comp and a retirement
plan.

And I do care enough to make sure that the General Contractor
we hired to remodel our kitchen dealt only with sub-contractors
who hired help on the books. Well, mostly anyway. The drywall
installers were suspect as I discovered after the fact and the
floor refinisher was an Amish guy and his 15 year old kid trucked
in every day to refinish our hardwood floors, but the Amish get
some sort of Illinois state exemption on child labor and other laws.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 07:51:49 -0400, jeff miller
wrote:

rw wrote:

I wonder how much of our economy is "under the table" -- cash payments
off the books. I know a lot of people who work that way, and they aren't
all illegal aliens, though a couple are. I think it's a hell of a lot of
the economy, and I'm not even counting drug transactions.


in my opinion based solely on years of anecdotal and personal
experience, there is a significant under-the-table economy among

the middle class self-employed work force.

Um, is that yet another PC term for illegal aliens?

Lawdy, lawdy, how come a self-aggrandizing little **** like Cesar Chavez
could not only say "wetback," but use it to refer to illegals and even
have a large group assembled to "Stop the Wetbacks!" way back when and
still get hugged by every silly-assed white hippie-dippie pseudoliberal
around, and if _anyone_ says it now, those same folks have a coronary?

TC,
R

jeff

wrote:
jeff miller wrote:
the middle class self-employed work force.

Um, is that yet another PC term for illegal aliens?

Lawdy, lawdy, how come a self-aggrandizing little **** like Cesar Chavez
could not only say "wetback," but use it to refer to illegals and even
have a large group assembled to "Stop the Wetbacks!" way back when and
still get hugged by every silly-assed white hippie-dippie pseudoliberal
around, and if _anyone_ says it now, those same folks have a coronary?

There are lots of things our grandpas could say in polite
company which would be totally unacceptable today. And I
don't think there's a damn thing wrong with that.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:58:09 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
And I'm still not buying your bull****.

Of course not...you're obviously just another unknowledgeable consumer
of marginal taste who doesn't care about HOW his wants are met, only
that they ARE met...I mean, Geezus, you drink BUDWEISER, fer God
sakes...

So far as I know all employees at the Anheuser Busch Brewery
are legal workers paid on the up and up and not under the
table. They have health care, workmen's comp and a retirement
plan.

Hmmm...pretty convincing...and since Budweiser contains nothing natural
or otherwise outsourced from outside the brewery, you are sure that no
"off-the-books" illegal undocumented wetback alien middle class worker
has been harmed in the making of this product, right? Well, that, or
you just like Bud and don't really wanna be gathering info that might
make you look like a huge ****ing hypocrite or something...

And I do care enough to make sure that the General Contractor
we hired to remodel our kitchen dealt only with sub-contractors
who hired help on the books.

Well, mostly anyway.

Eh, what's a few little blind eyes turned among white folks...as long as
you got the remodel done, "mostly" is good enough. By-the-by, you know
how much of the world remodels the kitchen? Builds a new cooking
fire...sometimes from the one started by the artillery...

The drywall
installers were suspect as I discovered after the fact

Um, "suspect _after the fact_" Gracie? What, were they wearing funny
sweaters and gibbering away in Norwegian or something, and it eventually
dawned on you that them boys might not be quite legal? Oh, come on,
Ken, an old Fawn Lake trouter like you should have known it from the
first whiff of gravlax...

OK, so I'm asking point-blank: how, exactly, did you discover they were
suspect after the fact?

and the
floor refinisher was an Amish guy and his 15 year old kid trucked
in every day to refinish our hardwood floors, but the Amish get
some sort of Illinois state exemption on child labor and other laws.

Exploitation via trucked-in Amish child chiselers, ya gotta love it...

Well, IAC, as long as a) _you_ are doing the chiseling...well, the 15
year old might have been doing some, too..., and, b) you are getting
what you want, and c) the state of Illinois says you can make poor lil'
children your slave labor, and d) you're using the services of another
bunch of hypocrites, but they're LEGAL hypocrites, it's all good...

HTH,
R

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
The drywall
installers were suspect as I discovered after the fact

OK, so I'm asking point-blank: how, exactly, did you discover they were
suspect after the fact?

Rumor mill. Chambana is a pretty small place.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:11:32 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
jeff miller wrote:
the middle class self-employed work force.

Um, is that yet another PC term for illegal aliens?

Lawdy, lawdy, how come a self-aggrandizing little **** like Cesar Chavez
could not only say "wetback," but use it to refer to illegals and even
have a large group assembled to "Stop the Wetbacks!" way back when and
still get hugged by every silly-assed white hippie-dippie pseudoliberal
around, and if _anyone_ says it now, those same folks have a coronary?

There are lots of things our grandpas could say in polite
company which would be totally unacceptable today. And I
don't think there's a damn thing wrong with that.

Um, grandpas? If Chavez were alive, he'd be about 70 or so, and we're
not talking about 1920, we're talking about 1970-something...hell, I
figured a late-middle-aged righter-of-wrongs like you would have been
right there with the little turd, using a pitching wedge on anyone who
tried to take away your "Stop the Wets!" sign...

HTH,
R

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
There are lots of things our grandpas could say in polite
company which would be totally unacceptable today. And I
don't think there's a damn thing wrong with that.

Um, grandpas? If Chavez were alive, he'd be about 70 or so, and we're
not talking about 1920, we're talking about 1970-something...hell, I
figured a late-middle-aged righter-of-wrongs like you would have been
right there with the little turd, using a pitching wedge on anyone who
tried to take away your "Stop the Wets!" sign...

LOL !! Yeah, I thought Chavez was a great American and the
United Farm Workers a righteous organization.

Why are you so rabid about using ugly language ? Are you
afraid you won't be able to express yourself if offensive
words are removed from your vocabulary ? Don't worry, I'm
sure a clever fellow like you can figure out how to be
plenty offensive even with a few of your choicest epithets
relegated to the trash bin.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On 2008-03-24, rw wrote:

....even skilled construction or an array of other things.

In case you haven't noticed, housing prices have increased to the point of
unaffordable insanity, while construction labor pay is roughly the same as
it was 30 yrs ago or even lower. This is not by accident.

.....I'm not even counting drug transactions.

We don't even want to go there.

nb