Fly Tie-ers

On 2008-03-24, jeff miller wrote:

experience, there is a significant under-the-table economy among the
middle class self-employed work force.

Define "middle class" as you think it exists in this country (USA), today.

nb

notbob wrote:
On 2008-03-24, rw wrote:


....even skilled construction or an array of other things.


In case you haven't noticed, housing prices have increased to the point of
unaffordable insanity, while construction labor pay is roughly the same as
it was 30 yrs ago or even lower. This is not by accident.

I get ****ed off when I hear people say that illegal immigrants "are
only doing the jobs that Americans won't do." The reason that Americans
won't do these jobs is that the cheap labor pool of illegals has
depressed wages. This isn't true only in agriculture, but also in
skilled areas like construction.

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On 2008-03-24, rw wrote:

I get ****ed off when I hear people say that illegal immigrants "are
only doing the jobs that Americans won't do."

It's the standard lie put forth by dirtbag politicians, which pretty much
means all of them. It's the same lie for the H1B visa program, too, the one
that has gutted the high tech industry in this country.

nb

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:19:23 -0600, rw
wrote:

notbob wrote:
On 2008-03-24, rw wrote:


....even skilled construction or an array of other things.


In case you haven't noticed, housing prices have increased to the point of
unaffordable insanity, while construction labor pay is roughly the same as
it was 30 yrs ago or even lower. This is not by accident.

I get ****ed off when I hear people say that illegal immigrants "are
only doing the jobs that Americans won't do." The reason that Americans
won't do these jobs is that the cheap labor pool of illegals has
depressed wages.

And if them damned illegals don't stop working for less than it takes to
survive and just dying on any ol' street corner that they happen to
starve on, we're gonna have a whole nuther problem - who we gonna get to
bury all these dead folks? I mean, if "Americans" don't wanna work for
what others do in construction, why the hell do you expect they are
gonna work to bury dead bodies when...HEY! wait a minute! Problem
solved! Ya can just go down to the Home Depot and get some of them
Norweg...well, ****...who is gonna bury all them starved Norwegians?
AHA! Chinks or ragheads or whatever them sumbitches on the customer
service lines are. There's lots them little SOBs running around and
maybe it can be outsourced offshore....

And think about it - give 'em jobs and maybe they won't all want to be
going around blowing up Starbuckses and Gaps and Abercrombie and
F...well, wait...on second thought, maybe that wouldn't be so bad... So
OK, they'll have jobs and ****, and before you know it, they'll be just
like normal Americans, with new cars and overpriced fishing gear and
plasma TVs and ToothRay DVD PodPhones and MP3 iPlayer GPSes and
Frappamochachin...um, well, so scratch the last one 'cause they blew up
all the Starbuckses, but they can still have Ralph Hillfigger
underdrawers showing above their Polo pants, 15 sizes too big, of
course, and put 28 inch wheels and 12 bizillion watt stereos on their
Mitsulexus SUVs and...

This isn't true only in agriculture, but also in
skilled areas like construction.

Spoken like two folks who have no _real_ knowledge of construction labor
costs, wages, or anything else related to the construction industry in
much of the country. I readily admit that I have no working knowledge
of the "industry" such as it might exist in Ketchum, Jr. or the mind of
little puppies who should stay on the porch...OTOH, I do have a fair
amount of knowledge regarding some of the major construction areas in US
and outside, and to claim that a construction laborer, skilled or
unskilled, is paid the same or less as they were in 1978 is simply
ridiculous.

R

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:45:53 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
The drywall
installers were suspect as I discovered after the fact

OK, so I'm asking point-blank: how, exactly, did you discover they were
suspect after the fact?

Rumor mill. Chambana is a pretty small place.

Where Norwegian illegal aliens go in droves to find kitchen remodeling
work, right? Where, as close as you can get, do you suspect these
suspect workers came from? Canada? Poland?


TC,
R

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Why are you so rabid about using ugly language ?

What's "ugly language?"

You appear to have a pretty good grasp of common,
everyday ugly language. Would you allow Geeves to
talk like that around your Mom ?

Geezus, anyone, even those not clever enough to
figure out that they have a kitchen full of illegal aliens and Amish
child laborers, ought to be able to figure out that they are just words
and none belong in the trash bin...

No such thing as "just words". Words have power,
including the power to do real harm and inflict
real pain.

--
Ken Fortenberry

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
The drywall
installers were suspect as I discovered after the fact
OK, so I'm asking point-blank: how, exactly, did you discover they were
suspect after the fact?
Rumor mill. Chambana is a pretty small place.

Where Norwegian illegal aliens go in droves to find kitchen remodeling
work, right? Where, as close as you can get, do you suspect these
suspect workers came from? Canada? Poland?

I suspect they weren't illegal at all, just local yokels
paid under the table and not insured as I had insisted.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Mar 24, 8:42 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

No such thing as "just words". Words have power,
including the power to do real harm and inflict
real pain.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Hah hah hah hahahhahha ha....................................

What a hypocrite!

MC

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:42:31 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Why are you so rabid about using ugly language ?

What's "ugly language?"

You appear to have a pretty good grasp of common,
everyday ugly language. Would you allow Geeves to
talk like that around your Mom ?

Geezus, anyone, even those not clever enough to
figure out that they have a kitchen full of illegal aliens and Amish
child laborers, ought to be able to figure out that they are just words
and none belong in the trash bin...

No such thing as "just words". Words have power,
including the power to do real harm and inflict
real pain.

True enough. For example, your dude Obama is discovering just how much
power the words of Rev Wright have to inflict a real pain in his skinny
black ass....and much like here on ROFF, yer boy has met the ultimate
source of his pain and it is him...see, it's not the words, it's the
context, and because the context involves him (Obama) having his
aforementioned ass planted in that pew for 20 years, it's going to be
President McCain. Two words which, I suspect, will have the power to
inflict a real pain in your not-so-skinny white ass...OTOH, I won't feel
even a twinge...yet they are the same words....see - context, Ken,
context...

Oh, this won't help,
R

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
No such thing as "just words". Words have power,
including the power to do real harm and inflict
real pain.

True enough. For example, your dude Obama is discovering just how much
power the words of Rev Wright have to inflict a real pain in his skinny
black ass....and much like here on ROFF, yer boy has met the ultimate
source of his pain and it is him...see, it's not the words, it's the
context, and because the context involves him (Obama) having his
aforementioned ass planted in that pew for 20 years, it's going to be
President McCain. Two words which, I suspect, will have the power to
inflict a real pain in your not-so-skinny white ass...OTOH, I won't feel
even a twinge...yet they are the same words....see - context, Ken,
context...

I'd venture to say you don't see the same context down there
in Mississippi that I see up here in Illinois.

I didn't know you were such a McCain fan.

--
Ken Fortenberry