A Plea for help & a head's up

"Jack Tucker" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Yeah well, a fisherman is a fisherman, it does not really matter what he
fishes with. Bait fishermen have just as many rights as all the others.
Stop fighting among yourselves, and do something for the common good.

Life is really too short for all this bull****.

TL
MC

I agree. There is absolutely no reason why we cannot stock the living ****
out of used to be and those that still are good rivers with a single strain
of fast growing slabs of McFishes in order to trash the streamside with beer
and corn cans so some idiot can go home with a fish and say , "Ummm good."

....just one more reason I don't carry a gun.....

john

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 01:21:11 +0100, "Mike Connor"
wrote:


"Jack Tucker" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Yeah well, a fisherman is a fisherman, it does not really matter what he
fishes with. Bait fishermen have just as many rights as all the others.
Stop fighting among yourselves, and do something for the common good.

Life is really too short for all this bull****.

TL
MC

While I agree with the sentiment, there's a world of a difference
between a UK carp angler or a Canadian float fisher, on the one hand,
and Bubba Beer-belly (or the Canuck hoser variant) who thinks it's his
God-given right to trash the bankside, spread his garbabge about,
vacuum up all the fish, and let his shrieking wife, horde of brats,
and defecating dogs wreak havoc for anybody else who might be trying
to fish the same waters.

I don't give a **** what people use for tackle provided they respect
the resource and other people. Tackle restrictions in Canada and the
US have been put in place precisely because those that have respect,
seem to be in the minority.

Peter

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Lets put the shoe on the other foot......What if the areas that are now
artificial lures only were changed to bait slinging only how would you feel
then...... I believe there is a need for delayed harvest...I agree with the
regs in place now if you can figure them out...... i feel that if you buy a
license you should be able to fish any waters you run acrost we all pay the
same price for the license.... i don't believe in private waters either......
but i willsend an email supporting current regs because it does lean towards
the flyfisher...........


Handyman Mike
Standing in a river waving a stick

Handyman Mike wrote:snip .. i don't believe in private waters either.

Don't think that will ever go over in Texas as only 2%of the state is not
privately owned.

Big Dale

(Mike) wrote in message ...
Lets put the shoe on the other foot......What if the areas that are now
artificial lures only were changed to bait slinging only how would you feel
then...... I believe there is a need for delayed harvest...I agree with the
regs in place now if you can figure them out...... i feel that if you buy a
license you should be able to fish any waters you run acrost we all pay the
same price for the license.... i don't believe in private waters either......
but i willsend an email supporting current regs because it does lean towards
the flyfisher...........


Handyman Mike
Standing in a river waving a stick

Hear, hear..let's rotate the stream regulations every year. One year
FF only, one year arificail lures, one year bait fishing, and one year
free for all (to clean out the weaklings)!!

Miiiiiiiiiiiiiikkke ya coming to Montana?? If nothing else keep me
posted on the Penn's Spring Cleaning!

Mike

Peter Charles wrote:
"Mike Connor" wrote:

Yeah well, a fisherman is a fisherman, ...

...
I don't give a **** what people use for tackle provided they respect
the resource and other people. Tackle restrictions in Canada and the
US have been put in place precisely because those that have respect,
seem to be in the minority.

In the minority AND fly fishermen, and I for one don't have a problem
with designating certain waters off-limits to Bubba and his bait can.
But then, I'm an elitist asshole FWIW.

--
Ken Fortenberry

"Jack Tucker" wrote in message
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Their first attack is
directed at PA's "Delayed Harvest - Artificial Lures only"
water within the Commonwealth. This water is currently open
year round to fly fishing and spin fishing with artificial
lures; legal sized fish may be taken during the period from
June 15th to Labor Day, though most of the fishing by both
the spin fishers and fly anglers is C & R.

[snip]
The current recommendation is that the water under consideration be opened
to "harvest" by bait fisherman during the period of June 15 through
Labor Day.

sorry, delayed harvest may be the latest "greatest' thing in trout fisheries
"management", imo, there is something seriously wrong with stocking an area
and desiginating it C&R only.

Wayne Knight wrote:

"Jack Tucker" wrote in message
...

Their first attack is
directed at PA's "Delayed Harvest - Artificial Lures only"
water within the Commonwealth. This water is currently open
year round to fly fishing and spin fishing with artificial
lures; legal sized fish may be taken during the period from
June 15th to Labor Day, though most of the fishing by both
the spin fishers and fly anglers is C & R.


[snip]

The current recommendation is that the water under consideration be opened
to "harvest" by bait fisherman during the period of June 15 through
Labor Day.


sorry, delayed harvest may be the latest "greatest' thing in trout fisheries
"management", imo, there is something seriously wrong with stocking an area
and desiginating it C&R only.

I agree with your sentiment. C&R seems stupid to me in a put and take
fishery.

I'm not as familiar with eastern waters as I am with those in the
Rockies, but it seems to me that there are numerous waters back east
that are being stocked that could be better managed with less stocking
and possibly more restrictive limits. Montana did a series of studies on
the effects of stocking in waters that have good natural reproduction
and found that the stocking of catchables actually reduces the number
and size of the fish in those waters.

Willi

"Willi" wrote in message
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Wayne Knight wrote:
//snip//
sorry, delayed harvest may be the latest "greatest' thing in trout
fisheries
"management", imo, there is something seriously wrong with stocking an
area
and desiginating it C&R only.
I agree with your sentiment. C&R seems stupid to me in a put and take
fishery.

I'm not as familiar with eastern waters as I am with those in the
Rockies, but it seems to me that there are numerous waters back east
that are being stocked that could be better managed with less stocking
and possibly more restrictive limits. Montana did a series of studies on
the effects of stocking in waters that have good natural reproduction
and found that the stocking of catchables actually reduces the number
and size of the fish in those waters.


I understand the sentiment, but delayed harvest waters that are stocked in
October can be a blast to fish in in the spring. Access generally is not
very hard and after a few months in the stream the fish are fun to catch.
It's not as psychically rewarding as catching wild fish in a remote spot,
but if you have limited time and want to have a pretty good fishing
experience, it's not bad. They are especially good places to take youngsters
who are learning to fly-fish.

Frank Reid and Allen Epps posted great TRs earlier that were good
descriptions of spring-time fishing in delayed-harvest water. Don't know
that their stream was D-H, but the experience appears similar.

I suspect that most people who are taking fish do so in the summer, so
designating the water as C&R only in the winter probably prevents few of
them from fishing, but it does provide an attractive opportunity for fly
fishermen. The result, IMO, is an overall larger number of fishermen in the
course of a year, and more sales of licenses and fly fishing tackle (and
more much-needed tax revenue for the fish & game department) - revenue that
would not have happened without the delayed-harvest program. It may also be
true that streams within commuting distance of major metropolitan areas lend
themselves to delayed-harvest programs.

Bob