a sense of perspective

"MajorOz" wrote

"The Defiant Ones" with Tony Curtis (aka Bernie Schwartz) and Sidney
Portier; 1958 (or so)

cheers


ahh, yes; thank you, sir.

wayno

"MajorOz" wrote in
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Wayne Harrison wrote:
"vincent p. norris" wrote in message
...
Actually, it was Strother Martin, as the Captain of Road Prison
36, who
said, "What we've got here is... failure to communicate." But I
won't argue your point.

Thank you. I didn't see the movie, which I understand involved
Paul Newman and a black man escaping while chained together.


actually, that isn't the same movie. but i can't rag on you,
because i
can't remember the title of the appropriate flick.

yfitons
wayno

"The Defiant Ones" with Tony Curtis (aka Bernie Schwartz) and Sidney
Portier; 1958 (or so)

cheers

oz, who ties his caddis with antelope hair



Are we talking about the same quote, or am I missing something? I
thought it was from Cool Hand Luke
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Scott
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Wayne Harrison wrote:

"Jeff Miller" wrote

, east carolina

university here in "gruhnville" was 1st in rankings of colleges' ugliest
football uniforms. i gotta admit purple ain't as cute as powder blue or
orange, but ugliest in the country? ...shaky *and* questionable.


where did you find those rankings?

and yeah, the pie-rates don't look as bad as the hokies, or the ducks.

yfitp
wayno



the rankings were on the netscape "news" homepage... the hokies...esp
those uniforms worn in the miami game...were in the top 10 as well.

jeff

"Peter Charles"
Well, we could sit here and sling, "My study is better than your
study." but the most comprehensive, fair, unbiased and massive study I
ran across had Canada slightly ahead overall. It acknowledged that
the U.S. system does a better job on cardiac care but worse in others.
True to form of course, our press only reported the cardiac care side
of things.

so, for example, if you decide you need a total knee or total hip
replacement surgery in Canada- just how long is it that you have to wait
until you can get it done? Or say for example, you cross the border into
the U.S. for an extended period of time say 2 months, who pays the bill if
you have medical emergency?

jh

John Hightower wrote:

Or say for example, you cross the border into
the U.S. for an extended period of time say 2 months, who pays the bill if
you have medical emergency?

I forget the exact source of the payment, but Canadian citizen's
healthcare bills are typically paid once we get through the bs Peter
claims they don't have. Biggest problem is they cut the damn checks in
canadian dollars and we gots to rebill them for the difference in
exchange rates g

And in the absence of a break, it's not uncommon for hip and knee
replacements to get delayed in the states too. I've been putting mine
off for a couple of years now.

Scott Seidman wrote:
"MajorOz" wrote in
oups.com:


Wayne Harrison wrote:
"vincent p. norris" wrote in message
...
Actually, it was Strother Martin, as the Captain of Road Prison
36, who
said, "What we've got here is... failure to communicate." But I
won't argue your point.

Thank you. I didn't see the movie, which I understand involved
Paul Newman and a black man escaping while chained together.


actually, that isn't the same movie. but i can't rag on you,
because i
can't remember the title of the appropriate flick.

yfitons
wayno

"The Defiant Ones" with Tony Curtis (aka Bernie Schwartz) and Sidney
Portier; 1958 (or so)

cheers

oz, who ties his caddis with antelope hair



Are we talking about the same quote, or am I missing something? I
thought it was from Cool Hand Luke
--
Scott


You got the Paul Newman movie right: Cool Hand Luke (how many eggs was
that?)
My comment was to the movie about a white and a black escapee chained
together.

cheers

oz, lamenting the loss of Cheeseman Canyon

On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:29:22 -0500, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:11:15 -0500, Peter Charles
wrote:

Well, we could sit here and sling, "My study is better than your
study." but the most comprehensive, fair, unbiased and massive study I
ran across had Canada slightly ahead overall. It acknowledged that
the U.S. system does a better job on cardiac care but worse in others.
True to form of course, our press only reported the cardiac care side
of things.

Peter, I don't want to get into this ****ing contest, but go to a
cancer newsgroup, say, prostate cancer. The American patients have
far more successful treatments than do the Canadians, or the English.
I used to be active in such a group and almost every Canadian patient
was incontinent and impotent because of poor treatment. In the
states, however, the docs have come up with a rather long procedure
that ensures almost normal activity after the surgery. If you
experience prostate cancer, I urge you to come to the states.

Dave

Dave

If I ended up with prostate cancer, I'd have to take my chances here
as like 40 million Americans, I can't afford the US operation (sorry
for the cheap shot, but that was aimed elsewhere). That said, whether
a given disease is best treated on which side of the Great Divide
depends on the disease. I read the original report on the comparative
study but I can't find it on my system to refresh my memory. I can
only recall with clarity the newspaper report in the Globe and Mail
which in traditional Canadian fashion, only harped on the areas where
we lagged the U.S. and did not report the areas where we lead. On
balance, it was better to be here than there but as to specific
diseases, well it was all over the map.

BTW, steelhead fishing in the Great Lakes is seriously sucking this
year. By this time, I usually have a few dozen landed to my credit
but I've only two hokups to my credit, zero landed. Going to the Catt
this Saturday so I hope I hook more than just my fat ass.

Peter

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On 23 Nov 2005 16:13:01 -0800, "MajorOz" wrote:

You got the Paul Newman movie right: Cool Hand Luke (how many eggs was
that?)

50
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:22:55 -0700, "John Hightower"
wrote:


"Peter Charles"
Well, we could sit here and sling, "My study is better than your
study." but the most comprehensive, fair, unbiased and massive study I
ran across had Canada slightly ahead overall. It acknowledged that
the U.S. system does a better job on cardiac care but worse in others.
True to form of course, our press only reported the cardiac care side
of things.

so, for example, if you decide you need a total knee or total hip
replacement surgery in Canada- just how long is it that you have to wait
until you can get it done? Or say for example, you cross the border into
the U.S. for an extended period of time say 2 months, who pays the bill if
you have medical emergency?

jh

John

I can always tell someone who has been subject to the usual American
medical industry propaganda as they make reference, directly or
indirectly as you have, to a "Canadian medical system" and then talk
about problems as if they are system wide.

Well, there's no such thing as a Canadian medical system for one.
While there is the Canada Health Care Act that governs health care in
Canada, each province runs its own system and the varous provincial
situations across the country are quite different. If I needed a hip
replacement elective surgery (not emergency) in Ontario, then I'd wait
two years. Contrast that with an elective surgey for hip replacement
in Alberta and British Columbia where the wait times are negligible to
non-existent. There are no wait times in Ontario should I break my
hip while I was in need of a replacement -- I'd get it right away
then. And it wouldn't cost me a dime. I'd never see a bill. I would
just handed them my health card and forget about the cost. Wouldn't
the 40 million uninsured Amerricans love to do the same?

How would you like to go through a serious disease and never see a
bill? Change jobs without worry about losing coverage? Never go
bankrupt or lose major assets because of a disease. Never have your
health care coverage canceled or refused. Never have an HMO
bureaucrat deny you a procedure? Never have to argue with an HMO over
the payment of a bill? Catch a bug and schedule a doctor's visit and
never think once about the bill? Never having to live with a curable
or treatable chronic disease because you can't afford the
hospitalization? That's the reality for Canadians.

Looking at a BC site that records individual hosptial wait times,
inpatient, non-urgent surgery for hip replacement runs into a few
weeks. Compare that to the wait time for a uninsured American with a
non-urgent need for hip replacement. It's fine to quote Ontario wait
times and try to imply that this is a condemnation of an entire
Canadian system, but before you do, please calculate the wait times
for elective surgeries for uninsured and under insured Americans into
your statistics before doing the national comparisons. Be interesting
to see how you work infinity into the numbers.

Ontario is a special basket case. Not only did we get shafted when
the feds cut back transfer payments to cover their deficits, we then
endured the ravages of eight years of neo-con rule. Those *******s
went out of their way to wreck the Ontario health system in order to
promote their free market "Solutions". As one small example of their
handiwork, they engineered an MRI waiting time problem by cancelling
college radiologist courses to create a staff shortage then they
mandated that hospitals were only allowed to run their MRIs for eight
hours a day. After these "achievements" were in place, they changed
the rules to allow private MRI clinics to be opened to solve the
"problem", of course at the same time denying the hospitals the right
to open their own clinics (hospitals in Canada are owned and run by
non-profits).

To make matters worse, they closed hospitals in the Toronto area while
it was undergoing unprecedented levels of growth. To make matters
even worse, the national press is located in Toronto so all of the
results of these policies gets widespread attention and is repeated
faithful by your medical propaganda system. To make matters even,
even worser, our right-wing press (yes we have one and it's quite
rabid) uses every horror story, real or contrived, to push for more
privatization as a solution. Presently, Ontario only spends 5.8% of
its GDP on health care, vs. 14% for the U.S. We simply don't spend
enough to make it work properly. If we did, we would be like BC or
Alberta.

I would suggest that before anyone else gets their "presumption of
superiority" genes in gear, they read, "The world health report 2000 -
health systems: improving performance." published by the World Health
Organization (WHO). For those who prefer the abridged version and
don't want to wade through the 175 or so pages, the American health
system ranks 37th overall.

Here's a synopsis:

http://dll.umaine.edu/ble/U.S.%20HCweb.pdf

and the full report

http://www.who.int/whr/2000/en/whr00_en.pdf

Peter

EOT

Back to not catching steelhead . . . .

Peter

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Charlie Choc wrote:
On 23 Nov 2005 16:13:01 -0800, "MajorOz" wrote:


You got the Paul Newman movie right: Cool Hand Luke (how many eggs was
that?)


50

Nobody ever eat fifty eggs.

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