He was a good dog

Mike wrote:
jeff wrote:
SNIP
It's just unproductive on an unmoderated
newsgroup.

snip
As I don´t post to any other Usenet groups ( with the exception of
ROFFT very occasionally and a couple of UK fishing groups years ago),
and never have done, there can be no question of my "spewing" anything
at all anywhere. This is just more of Fortenberry´s propaganda. ...

Besides being a pompous ass, an arrogant know-it-all and an
ignorant homophobe you are a liar as well. You regularly gave
roff sizable doses of your spew over the years. The late George
Gehrke was one of the first targets of your insane, foul-mouthed
vitriol followed at regular intervals by many others whose only
sin was to disagree with you, often on trivial matters.

Your laughingstock moment started when you issued your vicious
spew towards the Clavemeister of the Penn's Clave. T-shirts were
issued to commemorate that round of His Loony Mikeness' insanity.

I'm just your latest target, so long as anyone of us "lesser"
fly fishers dare to disagree with His Loony Mikeness you will
have a target and you will spew your crazy rants. You're a sick
****, an insane, misanthropic sociopath and that's not propaganda
asshole, that's fact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On 4 Nov, 18:29, Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Mike wrote:
jeff wrote:
SNIP
It's just unproductive on an unmoderated
newsgroup.

snip
As I don´t post to any other Usenet groups ( with the exception of
ROFFT very occasionally and a couple of UK fishing groups years ago),
and never have done, there can be no question of my "spewing" anything
at all anywhere. This is just more of Fortenberry´s propaganda. ...

Besides being a pompous ass, an arrogant know-it-all and an
ignorant homophobe you are a liar as well. You regularly gave
roff sizable doses of your spew over the years. The late George
Gehrke was one of the first targets of your insane, foul-mouthed
vitriol followed at regular intervals by many others whose only
sin was to disagree with you, often on trivial matters.

Your laughingstock moment started when you issued your vicious
spew towards the Clavemeister of the Penn's Clave. T-shirts were
issued to commemorate that round of His Loony Mikeness' insanity.

I'm just your latest target, so long as anyone of us "lesser"
fly fishers dare to disagree with His Loony Mikeness you will
have a target and you will spew your crazy rants. You're a sick
****, an insane, misanthropic sociopath and that's not propaganda
asshole, that's fact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

More propaganda Kennyboy? Anybody wishing to view your behaviour,
merely needs to review your posts on this and other NG´s. All this is
not about me Kennyboy, it´s about you.

Obviously there are other people here who know you for what you are,
and to date, by ignoring you, they have tacitly allowed you to
continue with your outrages.

Ignoring you may avoid some unpleasantness for the individual
currently under attack, or even make the environment somewhat less
unpleasant for others, but it does nothing to prevent you repeating
such outrages on others.

It is a mistake to ignore you Kennyboy, you must be placed on public
view at every opportunity, your lies, evil and deceit laid open for
all to see. You are a vicious psychopath, and must be treated as such.

I think the tide has turned Kennyboy. You are not going to be able to
ride roughshod over anybody else unchallenged ever again. It makes no
difference how you rant on about me. Nobody much cares, least of all
I, because I have finally realised what I should have realised a long
time time ago. You can only hurt people if they allow you to. You can
´t hurt me Kennyboy, and I am not going to allow you to hurt anybody
else either.

Nobody on here is ever going to allow you to hurt them again. I am
going to make sure of that Kennyboy. There is nothing at all you can
do about it.

You can rant all you like. It will do you no good at all.

MC

Mike wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Besides being a pompous ass, an arrogant know-it-all and an
ignorant homophobe you are a liar as well. You regularly gave
roff sizable doses of your spew over the years. The late George
Gehrke was one of the first targets of your insane, foul-mouthed
vitriol followed at regular intervals by many others whose only
sin was to disagree with you, often on trivial matters.

Your laughingstock moment started when you issued your vicious
spew towards the Clavemeister of the Penn's Clave. T-shirts were
issued to commemorate that round of His Loony Mikeness' insanity.

I'm just your latest target, so long as anyone of us "lesser"
fly fishers dare to disagree with His Loony Mikeness you will
have a target and you will spew your crazy rants. You're a sick
****, an insane, misanthropic sociopath and that's not propaganda
asshole, that's fact.

More propaganda Kennyboy? ...

Nope, just the facts. Google is *not* your friend.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On 4 Nov, 19:13, Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Mike wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Besides being a pompous ass, an arrogant know-it-all and an
ignorant homophobe you are a liar as well. You regularly gave
roff sizable doses of your spew over the years. The late George
Gehrke was one of the first targets of your insane, foul-mouthed
vitriol followed at regular intervals by many others whose only
sin was to disagree with you, often on trivial matters.

Your laughingstock moment started when you issued your vicious
spew towards the Clavemeister of the Penn's Clave. T-shirts were
issued to commemorate that round of His Loony Mikeness' insanity.

I'm just your latest target, so long as anyone of us "lesser"
fly fishers dare to disagree with His Loony Mikeness you will
have a target and you will spew your crazy rants. You're a sick
****, an insane, misanthropic sociopath and that's not propaganda
asshole, that's fact.

More propaganda Kennyboy? ...

Nope, just the facts. Google is *not* your friend.

--
Ken Fortenberry

It makes no difference Kennyboy, Apart from yourself, Google is your
worst enemy.

UOTE
"
You have two daughters, right ? A nice piece of 14 year old pussy, and
a sweet little 8 year old ****, as I recall. Thank your lucky stars
and
the accident of your skin color that you and the whore you married are
not at all concerned with the effects of subtle and pervasive racism.

**** you, Steve, and the horse you rode in on.

--
Ken Fortenberry


UNQUOTE

QUOTE

Haven't you heard ? One reason Mike Connor is such an arrogant, full
of himself, ridiculous cartoon of a foppish homophobe is because he
was raped at a German train station by a vicious, neo-Nazi, pedophile,
promiscuous homosexual wielding an upside down fly rod. That much we
know as fact, the part about Connor requesting more of the same but
with a 14wt this time is rumor.

--
Ken Fortenberry

UNQUOTE

I wonder what would happen if I began posting this stuff to the other
NG´s you misuse? How many people would be happy to see you exposed
for what you are?

Shall we try it Kennyboy? I know you will never give up with your
nonsense until somebody forces you to.

Other people will start weighing in on this Kennyboy, indeed they
already have. Decent respected people who you can not compromise or
coerce.

You are going down Kennyboy, people are going to fry your vicious
vindictive ass.

MC

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 10:02:50 -0500, jeff
wrote:

i am unaware of any
other Usenet "spews" by mike.

Come on, Jeff. I consider you one of my dearest friends, but surely
you must remember the many times Connor has *left* roff in a snit "to
never return" or words to that effect. Surely you remember the Dumbo
T-Shirt, the animousity towards me, Gehrke, Fortenberry, and *anyone*
that disagreed with him on *any* subject. Do you really think that
Tom Littleton (the author of the Dumbo T-shirt) was at fault, or good
people on roff such as Scott who answer his vitriolic (i spell that
right) spews? The man has a history of contemp for *anyone* that
disagrees with him. His jealousy of Gehrke was outragious.

As far as his knowledge: it comes from the internet, mostly. He
finds a url and posts it. Remember G. Gehrke? Not very well liked by
most on this forum, but his fishing skills and knowledge far outscore
Connor's. Perhaps in Europe Connor is very knowledgable, but not by
western standards. And, our very own Peter Collin is the BEST
fisherman I have ever met, and that includes Gehrke and Willi. In his
latest posts on "trolling", Connor has the audacity to correct Peter
by saying "trailing" is the correct term. His pompous remark
, "One may troll with flies, ( actually, the correct term is still
"trailing"), is typical Connor. Has Connor ever *really* posted a TR?
I think not. He is all bluster and no fishing.

As far as Fortenberry lying to you about Fawn Lake...... I thought it
a joke from the very beginning, thinking that he had been there,
fished it, and wanted to prevent others from going. "There aren't any
fish in this river."

I also consider Ken a dear friend, but I disagree with many things he
does, and just about everything he believes in. He is an honorable
man as you are, but one that loves to pull chains, including yours
(and mine too!). I find it difficult to believe tha you and he are at
odds. I suggest a peace offering, because it is not like you to have
an enemy. Ken, otoh, has enemies, but it doesn't seem to bother him
as much as it does you.

Dave



Just my $2.02 worth.

Dave

On 4 Nov, 19:50, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 10:02:50 -0500, jeff
wrote:

i am unaware of any
other Usenet "spews" by mike.

Come on, Jeff. I consider you one of my dearest friends, but surely
you must remember the many times Connor has *left* roff in a snit "to
never return" or words to that effect. Surely you remember the Dumbo
T-Shirt, the animousity towards me, Gehrke, Fortenberry, and *anyone*
that disagreed with him on *any* subject. Do you really think that
Tom Littleton (the author of the Dumbo T-shirt) was at fault, or good
people on roff such as Scott who answer his vitriolic (i spell that
right) spews? The man has a history of contemp for *anyone* that
disagrees with him. His jealousy of Gehrke was outragious.

As far as his knowledge: it comes from the internet, mostly. He
finds a url and posts it. Remember G. Gehrke? Not very well liked by
most on this forum, but his fishing skills and knowledge far outscore
Connor's. Perhaps in Europe Connor is very knowledgable, but not by
western standards. And, our very own Peter Collin is the BEST
fisherman I have ever met, and that includes Gehrke and Willi. In his
latest posts on "trolling", Connor has the audacity to correct Peter
by saying "trailing" is the correct term. His pompous remark
, "One may troll with flies, ( actually, the correct term is still
"trailing"), is typical Connor. Has Connor ever *really* posted a TR?
I think not. He is all bluster and no fishing.

As far as Fortenberry lying to you about Fawn Lake...... I thought it
a joke from the very beginning, thinking that he had been there,
fished it, and wanted to prevent others from going. "There aren't any
fish in this river."

I also consider Ken a dear friend, but I disagree with many things he
does, and just about everything he believes in. He is an honorable
man as you are, but one that loves to pull chains, including yours
(and mine too!). I find it difficult to believe tha you and he are at
odds. I suggest a peace offering, because it is not like you to have
an enemy. Ken, otoh, has enemies, but it doesn't seem to bother him
as much as it does you.

Dave

Just my $2.02 worth.

Dave

Too funny!

Maybe a little jealousy creeping in there too LaCourse? You dont know
anything at all about either my fishing knowledge or prowess, but you
constantly hold forth on it. You really are an idiot.

I think you will discover that Mr.Miller is far too decent and
sensible to fall for any of your bull****. Indeed, he has already
proven himself to be so.

There is a lot to be said for being loyal to a friend, and I actually
admire that, but there comes a time when one must allow good sense to
prevail.

MC

Mike wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Mike wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Besides being a pompous ass, an arrogant know-it-all and an
ignorant homophobe you are a liar as well.
More propaganda Kennyboy? ...
Nope, just the facts. Google is *not* your friend.

snip
Other people will start weighing in on this Kennyboy, indeed they
already have. Decent respected people who you can not compromise or
coerce.

You are going down Kennyboy, people are going to fry your vicious
vindictive ass.

No, you crazy loon, people are going to do no such thing.

Besides yourself Jeffie and rw are your worst enemies because
they give you the false impression that your behavior here is
all forgotten and all forgiven. Nothing could be further from
the truth. You're a laughingstock, Mike, a running joke and a
vicious, lying, foul-mouthed loon. What kind of a sick ****
would take the occasion of a beloved pet's death to issue a
flurry of vituperative personal attacks ?

Those who defend you here are in reality being less kind to
you than those of us who goad you into doing your worst. The
former are perpetuating a lie, the latter revealing a truth.

--
Ken Fortenberry

"jeff" wrote in message
...

i disagree. i do not think mike is crazy, loony, off his rocker, or a
laughingstock. i think he is, like many, often overly sensitive to stupid
and false pejoratives and to unnecessary provocation. he is obviously an
intelligent and proud person. he has an entirely different cultural
background and context, and a different "voice", which many of us probably
neither understand nor experience fully. i suspect being called loony, a
nazi, and a homo, even jokingly, has a different meaning to him and many
of his countrymen than to us amerikans.

my opinion is that mike is obviously among the most experienced and
knowledgeable fishermen who have published words here. he is intentionally
and unnecessarily baited. he reacts to that in ways most of us would
not...and in ways some of us neither understand nor condone. still, i
doubt anyone here has a basis for making any sound judgment about his
mental health.

After reading this very thoughtful and sensitive analysis, followed by Mikes
response, followed by Mike yet again returning for more of the same with
Ken, I felt compelled to make one last post on the thread.
First of all I do not equate the terms mentally unbalanced or mentally
disturbed directly with the terms crazy, looney, or off your rocker. I do
not attribute any of those three terms to Mike and certainly agree that he
is among the most experienced and knowledgeable fisherman and that, when he
is not in an agitated state, he can be very helpful. However, no matter
what culture one comes from or how sensitive a person is, I (and I suspect
many others) do not consider - constantly returning for more baiting and
harassment, while exhibiting the same behavior he decries and in a manner
that he can't help but know will elicit more of the same, all the while
constantly denying that he does so - the behavior of a rational adult.

Mike, if it makes you feel any better (or not) I also consider Ken's
behavior to be mentally unbalanced. The difference is I strongly suspect
that he is aware of it but just doesn't care, while you on the other hand
cannot see how irrational your behavior is. . That doesn't make either of
you loonies , round the bend, or raving mad - just unbalanced. I respond
(not attack - it is not my style to attack anyone) to you rather than to him
in the hope (most likely in vain) that I can make you see how irrational
your behavior is. It would be pointless to do so with Ken as he doesn't
care.

He has certainly displayed sadistic behavior in how he baits you & plays to
your apparent inability to keep from returning for more. You consider him a
sadist yet keep coming back again and again for more of the same. What does
that make you ? (which begs the question - If a sadist picks on a masochist,
is he truly being a sadist?)

"Obviously there are other people here who know you for what you are,
and to date, by ignoring you, they have tacitly allowed you to
continue with your outrages."

Think about that. Obviously, responding to his baiting hasn't worked. Why do
you think your above statement has any validity, since in an unmoderated
forum the participants control nothing but their own behavior, and someone
who truly doesn't care what others think will not be influenced by their
protests?

Bob Weinberger

On 4 Nov, 20:23, Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Mike wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Mike wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Besides being a pompous ass, an arrogant know-it-all and an
ignorant homophobe you are a liar as well.
More propaganda Kennyboy? ...
Nope, just the facts. Google is *not* your friend.

snip
Other people will start weighing in on this Kennyboy, indeed they
already have. Decent respected people who you can not compromise or
coerce.

You are going down Kennyboy, people are going to fry your vicious
vindictive ass.

No, you crazy loon, people are going to do no such thing.

Besides yourself Jeffie and rw are your worst enemies because
they give you the false impression that your behavior here is
all forgotten and all forgiven. Nothing could be further from
the truth. You're a laughingstock, Mike, a running joke and a
vicious, lying, foul-mouthed loon. What kind of a sick ****
would take the occasion of a beloved pet's death to issue a
flurry of vituperative personal attacks ?

Those who defend you here are in reality being less kind to
you than those of us who goad you into doing your worst. The
former are perpetuating a lie, the latter revealing a truth.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Getting rattled aren´t you?

You can´t fight the truth Kennyboy. Your bull**** and propaganda has
outlived its usefulness. People know what you are, and and there are a
number who will be very glad to see you brought to task for your
misdeeds, see you forced to desist, or ridiculed as you deserve, and
as you have done to many others.

Not only truth, but the forces of circumstance are on my side
Kennyboy. All you have is a couple of silly asslickers with no more
sense than to support a psychopath.

I do not require any defence Kennyboy, nor do I require any
assistance. It makes no difference to me what you write, I am merely
interested in exposing you, and forcing you to cease your antics. I
have no other objectives. My reputation worldwide, both in the fishing
world, and otherwise, is as solid as a rock. It does not depend on
the witterings of psychos on obscure Usenet groups. I am acknowledged
by some of the worlds greatest anglers as an expert on a number of
fishing related matters. That is a simple fact Kennyboy not a boast.

All you are is an arsehole who has abused, hurt, and generally made
himself detestable to a large number of people.

Nobody has any reason to detest me Kennyboy. There are some who may
not like me, but they have no desire to do me any damage. There are a
very large number of people who would like to see you get your come-
uppance Kennyboy. It is long overdue.

It is extremely gratifying to see somebody like Mr.Miller whom I
respect, and now also admire very greatly, speak in my defence, and I
am honoured that he did so, but it makes no difference to my
intentions towards you.

I am going to make it quite impossible for you to upset or damage
anybody else Kennyboy. It is merely a matter of time.

MC

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 10:23:33 -0800, Mike
wrote:

people are going to fry your vicious
vindictive ass.

Aren't you now being a vicious and vindictive ass?

You need help, Mike. For your sake, for our sake, get help.