I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........

"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
om...

"Mike Connor" wrote in message
...
I don´t know anything at all about hatches in the Rockies, more´s the
pity,
but I do know that this group deteriorates more with every passing insult
and bitterness that is published here. Any "outsider", and most
"insiders"
reading this stuff would have to be crazy to want to have any part of it.

The only thing that really puzzles me, is, what is the point of it all?
Is
there any point at all?

Once upon a time, I laboured under the quite obviously massive
misapprehension that anglers were gentlemen. This group has certainly
taught me the error of my ways.

The insults, and the flames, and all the other similar stuff here is bad
enough, but what eventually simply wears one out, even just reading the
stuff, is that it is mostly silly and boring, and has virtually nothing
to
do with fishing, or with gentlemen either.

Most unfortunate, and extremely depressing to boot.

MC

i agree. it's more difficult, day by day. the bitterness is becoming
overwhelming. the disputes, long ago, seemed to be an invitation to
relatively respectful intellectual contests. but since 40 and wolfgang
have
sworn to bilious confrontations until the end of time, a sort of gloom has
settled over the place, for me.

I agree wholeheartedly. The intellectual tugs-of-war and goodhearted jabs
that used to happen here were a real source of admiration and humor, and I
used to have a lot of respect for different people's wit and cleverness. But
now, instead of looking forward to some people's responses, I just brace for
the inevitable implosion. Roff is rapidly losing a lot of its fun, and its
tiresome to see thread after thread become some sort of dare of how
vitriolic and assaultive someone can get, dragging out old laundry, dragging
out 'facts' and reliving old history. Its like arguing with on old
girlfriend!

Hell, even with all the unfettered condescention, people treated George
better than most folks are treating each other here these days! "Village
Idiot" pales in comparison to "stupid, lying, sanctimonious little prick",
among other things tossed around.

--riverman

"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
om...

"Mike Connor" wrote in message
...
I don´t know anything at all about hatches in the Rockies, more´s the
pity,
but I do know that this group deteriorates more with every passing insult
and bitterness that is published here. Any "outsider", and most
"insiders"
reading this stuff would have to be crazy to want to have any part of it.

The only thing that really puzzles me, is, what is the point of it all?
Is
there any point at all?

Once upon a time, I laboured under the quite obviously massive
misapprehension that anglers were gentlemen. This group has certainly
taught me the error of my ways.

The insults, and the flames, and all the other similar stuff here is bad
enough, but what eventually simply wears one out, even just reading the
stuff, is that it is mostly silly and boring, and has virtually nothing
to
do with fishing, or with gentlemen either.

Most unfortunate, and extremely depressing to boot.

MC

i agree. it's more difficult, day by day. the bitterness is becoming
overwhelming. the disputes, long ago, seemed to be an invitation to
relatively respectful intellectual contests. but since 40 and wolfgang
have
sworn to bilious confrontations until the end of time, a sort of gloom has
settled over the place, for me.

I agree wholeheartedly. The intellectual tugs-of-war and goodhearted jabs
that used to happen here were a real source of admiration and humor, and I
used to have a lot of respect for different people's wit and cleverness. But
now, instead of looking forward to some people's responses, I just brace for
the inevitable implosion. Roff is rapidly losing a lot of its fun, and its
tiresome to see thread after thread become some sort of dare of how
vitriolic and assaultive someone can get, dragging out old laundry, dragging
out 'facts' and reliving old history. Its like arguing with on old
girlfriend!

Hell, even with all the unfettered condescention, people treated George
better than most folks are treating each other here these days! "Village
Idiot" pales in comparison to "stupid, lying, sanctimonious little prick",
among other things tossed around.

--riverman

riverman wrote:

I agree wholeheartedly. snip

You've got a lotta cheek jumping on Wayno's whine wagon fresh off
a ten rounder with Wolfie.

One word for the whiners, killfiles.

--
Ken Fortenberry

riverman wrote:

I agree wholeheartedly. snip

You've got a lotta cheek jumping on Wayno's whine wagon fresh off
a ten rounder with Wolfie.

One word for the whiners, killfiles.

--
Ken Fortenberry

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
.. .
riverman wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly. snip

You've got a lotta cheek jumping on Wayno's whine wagon fresh off
a ten rounder with Wolfie.

That wasn't a 10-rounder; I was telling him that he plays tiresome games
with people, and he was playing those same tiresome games with my posts. I
quit when Tim pointed out that you can't get that point across to him. I
don't do hate-fests.


One word for the whiners, killfiles.

I know I could killfile folks, Ken, but I really would rather not! You and I
have never had any beef, and despite the vitriol that is slinging about, I
still want to read your posts, find out more about who you are, and fish
with you if the opportunity arises. It just brings me down when they are
hate posts, and there are a lot more of them these days, it seems. And just
killing that thread doesn't help either, because the effects radiate out to
all the other threads. When I meet you and fish with you someday, I want
more than a vague sense that you are the guy who slings such anger all the
time as my basis of potential friendship.

And (this part is important): not liking the vibe around here is my point of
view. I'm not 'jumping on Wayno's whine wagon'; which is tantamount to
choosing sides in some sort of Hatfield/McCoy feud. I'm telling it like it
is. The vibe around here has gone pretty sour, and you're one of the major
contributors. I just cannot figure out why.

--riverman

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
.. .
riverman wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly. snip

You've got a lotta cheek jumping on Wayno's whine wagon fresh off
a ten rounder with Wolfie.

That wasn't a 10-rounder; I was telling him that he plays tiresome games
with people, and he was playing those same tiresome games with my posts. I
quit when Tim pointed out that you can't get that point across to him. I
don't do hate-fests.


One word for the whiners, killfiles.

I know I could killfile folks, Ken, but I really would rather not! You and I
have never had any beef, and despite the vitriol that is slinging about, I
still want to read your posts, find out more about who you are, and fish
with you if the opportunity arises. It just brings me down when they are
hate posts, and there are a lot more of them these days, it seems. And just
killing that thread doesn't help either, because the effects radiate out to
all the other threads. When I meet you and fish with you someday, I want
more than a vague sense that you are the guy who slings such anger all the
time as my basis of potential friendship.

And (this part is important): not liking the vibe around here is my point of
view. I'm not 'jumping on Wayno's whine wagon'; which is tantamount to
choosing sides in some sort of Hatfield/McCoy feud. I'm telling it like it
is. The vibe around here has gone pretty sour, and you're one of the major
contributors. I just cannot figure out why.

--riverman

"Cyli" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:02:22 -0700, "Danl"
wrote:

(snipped)

"Still bitter about the only 'Clave in roff history noted for its
lack of camaraderie and good fishing"

Near as I recall, only one person (not you) ever had a problem with a
western Clave lacking camaraderie. It certainly wasn't Danl.

If incorrect, please correct me. URLs are not necessary. I'll take
your word for it.



Well, if you consider Western Sweden to count, I'm pretty sure there was no
camaraderie between Jarmo and the mosquitoes.

--riverman

"Cyli" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:02:22 -0700, "Danl"
wrote:

(snipped)

"Still bitter about the only 'Clave in roff history noted for its
lack of camaraderie and good fishing"

Near as I recall, only one person (not you) ever had a problem with a
western Clave lacking camaraderie. It certainly wasn't Danl.

If incorrect, please correct me. URLs are not necessary. I'll take
your word for it.



Well, if you consider Western Sweden to count, I'm pretty sure there was no
camaraderie between Jarmo and the mosquitoes.

--riverman

riverman wrote

(snip)

what you said speaks for me, as well.

yfitons
wayno

riverman wrote

(snip)

what you said speaks for me, as well.

yfitons
wayno