Singapore?

"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
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On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:50:39 +0100, "riverman" wrote:

or is China just so populated that it will be endless
urban sprawl for hundreds of miles? I'm considering moving there for 3-5
years...am I nuts?

When I was in Singapore it wasn't in China. Sure you aren't thinking of
Shanghai, or are you just including all of Indochina in China?

Singapore has a Disney-like enforced niceness that you might find
oppressive,
but I was only there a short while and it didn't bother me. Cross over
into
Malaysia, though, and it's all rock and roll. g
--
Charlie...

Damn.....

On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:08:57 +0100, "riverman"
wrote:


Malaysia, though, and it's all rock and roll. g
--
Charlie...

Damn.....


But Malaysia is only what? An hour or less away? Singapore is a
relatively small area. It's sort of a country and sort of a city.
What in Europe used to be called a city state.

It's your kind of place, once you get out ot town (whole place looks
smaller than Manhatten Island, but you'd want to check that...).
Pirates, rebellions, and something like two or three other countries
in easy reach. Yes, last I read (I may be behind date on that),
piracy still happens in the oceans around Malaysia. So you can
(probably) sleep safely at home and work safely in the day, but face
all the messy dangers you want on a mere day trip. The city seems to
be an ethnic mix that's heavy on the Chinese and the Hindu, or was a
decade or two ago.

If you move there, go to the Raffles Hotel and have a Singapore Gin
Sling for me, okay? It's one of the places I have most wanted to see
since reading novels where the spies met in the bar, back when I was a
teenager. If it's still there. I may be behind the times on that,
too, and it may be gone by now. Shouldn't be. It should be a
national monument.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. And sometimes by the net.wolverine.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:08:57 +0100, "riverman"
wrote:


Malaysia, though, and it's all rock and roll. g
--
Charlie...

Damn.....


But Malaysia is only what? An hour or less away? Singapore is a
relatively small area. It's sort of a country and sort of a city.
What in Europe used to be called a city state.

It's your kind of place, once you get out ot town (whole place looks
smaller than Manhatten Island, but you'd want to check that...).
Pirates, rebellions, and something like two or three other countries
in easy reach. Yes, last I read (I may be behind date on that),
piracy still happens in the oceans around Malaysia. So you can
(probably) sleep safely at home and work safely in the day, but face
all the messy dangers you want on a mere day trip. The city seems to
be an ethnic mix that's heavy on the Chinese and the Hindu, or was a
decade or two ago.

If you move there, go to the Raffles Hotel and have a Singapore Gin
Sling for me, okay? It's one of the places I have most wanted to see
since reading novels where the spies met in the bar, back when I was a
teenager. If it's still there. I may be behind the times on that,
too, and it may be gone by now. Shouldn't be. It should be a
national monument.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. And sometimes by the net.wolverine.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
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On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:50:39 +0100, "riverman" wrote:

or is China just so populated that it will be endless
urban sprawl for hundreds of miles? I'm considering moving there for 3-5
years...am I nuts?

When I was in Singapore it wasn't in China. Sure you aren't thinking of
Shanghai, or are you just including all of Indochina in China?

Singapore has a Disney-like enforced niceness that you might find
oppressive,
but I was only there a short while and it didn't bother me. Cross over
into
Malaysia, though, and it's all rock and roll. g
--
Charlie...

Damn.....

riverman wrote:


snip
....am I nuts?

--riverman


This from a man who has spent the last 2 years in Kinshasa............

Vaughan

"riverman" wrote in message ...
is it as 'clean and sterile' as I hear rumors of? Will an
outdoorsy guy like me find opportunities to get into the countryside for
some camping, etc, or is China just so populated that it will be endless
urban sprawl for hundreds of miles? I'm considering moving there for 3-5
years...am I nuts?

--riverman

Never been there myself, but found some interesting stuff.

"Singapore isn't a democracy in the American sense - it's more of a benevolent
dictatorship where the people vote in the dictator...When we announced we were coming
here, one American described Singapore as "the nicest police state I've ever lived in"
and proclaimed he'd return in a heartbeat."
http://www.hps.com/~tpg/singapore/vol06.html

http://www.teducation.com/singapore/fs1intro.html

As an educator, you may be a bit disappointed with this dangerous trend!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2494499.stm


Mark --I think I'd hook-up with IJ in NZ, if I were you!--

"magdave" wrote in message
news
Riverman,
I've been to Singapore and to its only fly fishing shop. It's Coho
FishingTackle, located at 14 Bali Lane. A nice little place with friendly
staff. You can email then at . Tell Michael Boey
that Dave from Seattle sent you. I bought a 4wt large arbor reel from
them
a couple of winters ago. If you show them how to tie one or two of your
favorite flies, you'll make some quick friends. Sal****er fishing is the
deal there, and Coho does guide service even to Australia. Email them and
get the lowdown. And it can get a tad warm in Singapore. Just dress
light, and you'll be fine.

--Dave


Thanks for the info, Dave. What else can you tell me about life in
Sinagpore...is it as 'clean and sterile' as I hear rumors of? Will an
outdoorsy guy like me find opportunities to get into the countryside for
some camping, etc, or is China just so populated that it will be endless
urban sprawl for hundreds of miles? I'm considering moving there for 3-5
years...am I nuts?

--riverman

"riverman" wrote in
:

Any of you more well-travelled roffians been there, and what are the
flyfishing opportunities? I got a googlepost from 1999 where someone
said that there was no freshwater fishing near there, but some pretty
good swff, and excellent travel destinations (NZ, etc).

Its a possibility for next year, but I gotta weigh the
advantages/disadvatages. Like, I hear it gets hot there....

--riverman




IIRC, they have other uses for cane rods in Singapore

Scott

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 18:02:16 +0100, "riverman" wrote:

Any of you more well-travelled roffians been there, and what are the
flyfishing opportunities? I got a googlepost from 1999 where someone said
that there was no freshwater fishing near there, but some pretty good swff,
and excellent travel destinations (NZ, etc).

Its a possibility for next year, but I gotta weigh the
advantages/disadvatages. Like, I hear it gets hot there....

I've been there but didn't do any fishing. There's probably some fly fishing
in Malaysia, though.

It does get hot there, and the government likes to keep things "nice".
--
Charlie...

"riverman" wrote in message
...
Any of you more well-travelled roffians been there, and what are the
flyfishing opportunities? I got a googlepost from 1999 where someone said
that there was no freshwater fishing near there, but some pretty good
swff,
and excellent travel destinations (NZ, etc).

Its a possibility for next year, but I gotta weigh the
advantages/disadvatages. Like, I hear it gets hot there....

--riverman

I used to travel there from time to time. It's only 90 miles from the
equator and I wouldn't even have thought of flyfishing - fresh or salt.
Excellent travel destinations include NZ??!! Take a close look at the map
and measure the distance! It's probably 5,000 miles. That's farther than
from Los Angeles to Tokyo. People used to suggest to me that I stop in NZ or
in Australia on the way from STL to SIN. That'd be like going to South
Africa by way of, say, Moscow.

I'd postulate that a better choice for a fly fishing vacation from Singapore
would be India. You might also be able to get to the Seychelles or the
Maldives for some salt water fishing. I've always wanted to go to both those
places.

Charlie suggests Malaysia for flyfishing - that might be interesting. I'd
think in the mountains of Malaysia or Thailand you could find something
interesting. The Brits might have built some vacation spots high in the
mountains where you could find some streams worth the effort. Doubt if they
hold trout, though.

Bob