The Electoral system

From: rw

In the 2000 election Gore won the popular vote by about 500,000 votes,
but lost the election to Bush by the Electoral vote count.

In the 2004 election Bush won the popular vote by about 3,500,000 votes,
but if Kerry had gotten about 140,000 more votes in Ohio he would now be
the President-elect by virtue of a majority of Electoral votes.

Isn't it time to reform this stupid, broken system?

No It is working just fine, and I would feel the same if Kerry had won Ohio.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

"rw" wrote in message
m...

California has a population (2003 estimate) of 35,484,453, and 55
electoral votes. That comes to 1.5x10-6 electoral-votes/person.

Wyoming has a population of 439,479 (2002 estimate) and 3 electoral
votes. That comes to 6.8x10-6 electoral-votes/person.

A voter in Wyoming has 4.5 times the voting power of a voter in
California in a Presidential election. That's wrong in my book.
snip

Heck, RW, if that's the criteria for a "broken system", don't just stop with
doing away with the electoral college, get rid of the Senate as well. After
all both Wyoming and California get the same number of senators. Each voter
in WY has 717 times the representation in the Senate of a voter in CA., so
the system must be truly "broken". Gee, the designers of our constitution
must not have had any idea of what they were doing..

Bob Weinberger
La, Grande, OR

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"rw" wrote in message
m...

California has a population (2003 estimate) of 35,484,453, and 55
electoral votes. That comes to 1.5x10-6 electoral-votes/person.

Wyoming has a population of 439,479 (2002 estimate) and 3 electoral
votes. That comes to 6.8x10-6 electoral-votes/person.

A voter in Wyoming has 4.5 times the voting power of a voter in
California in a Presidential election. That's wrong in my book.
snip

Heck, RW, if that's the criteria for a "broken system", don't just stop with
doing away with the electoral college, get rid of the Senate as well. After
all both Wyoming and California get the same number of senators. Each voter
in WY has 717 times the representation in the Senate of a voter in CA., so
the system must be truly "broken". Gee, the designers of our constitution
must not have had any idea of what they were doing..

Bob Weinberger
La, Grande, OR

place a dot between bobs and stuff and remove invalid to send email

Bob Weinberger wrote:

Heck, RW, if that's the criteria for a "broken system", don't just stop with
doing away with the electoral college, get rid of the Senate as well. After
all both Wyoming and California get the same number of senators. Each voter
in WY has 717 times the representation in the Senate of a voter in CA., so
the system must be truly "broken". Gee, the designers of our constitution
must not have had any idea of what they were doing..

They knew what they were doing. They were pragmatically crafting a
compromise. Times change.

I wouldn't do away with the Senate. Senators are the representatives of
the people of their states. The President is supposed to be the
President of ALL the people. As it stands, the President, no matter who
he is or of which party, is 4.5 times the President of a person in
Wyoming compared to a person in California.

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Bob Weinberger wrote:

Heck, RW, if that's the criteria for a "broken system", don't just stop with
doing away with the electoral college, get rid of the Senate as well. After
all both Wyoming and California get the same number of senators. Each voter
in WY has 717 times the representation in the Senate of a voter in CA., so
the system must be truly "broken". Gee, the designers of our constitution
must not have had any idea of what they were doing..

They knew what they were doing. They were pragmatically crafting a
compromise. Times change.

I wouldn't do away with the Senate. Senators are the representatives of
the people of their states. The President is supposed to be the
President of ALL the people. As it stands, the President, no matter who
he is or of which party, is 4.5 times the President of a person in
Wyoming compared to a person in California.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Bob Weinberger wrote:

Heck, RW, if that's the criteria for a "broken system", don't just stop with
doing away with the electoral college, get rid of the Senate as well. After
all both Wyoming and California get the same number of senators. Each voter
in WY has 717 times the representation in the Senate of a voter in CA., so
the system must be truly "broken". Gee, the designers of our constitution
must not have had any idea of what they were doing..

They knew what they were doing. They were pragmatically crafting a
compromise. Times change.

I wouldn't do away with the Senate. Senators are the representatives of
the people of their states. The President is supposed to be the
President of ALL the people. As it stands, the President, no matter who
he is or of which party, is 4.5 times the President of a person in
Wyoming compared to a person in California.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

IT wouldn't be a bad start to just reform the election process.
We could start with no voting machines (Walden O'Dell got Bush Ohio- not the
voters) , two day elections on weeks ends and fines for people who don't
vote. I'd like to see laws that fined canidates for lies in political adds.
The fines should be progressive to the point of wiping out canidates.
"rw" wrote in message
m...
In the 2000 election Gore won the popular vote by about 500,000 votes,
but lost the election to Bush by the Electoral vote count.

In the 2004 election Bush won the popular vote by about 3,500,000 votes,
but if Kerry had gotten about 140,000 more votes in Ohio he would now be
the President-elect by virtue of a majority of Electoral votes.

Isn't it time to reform this stupid, broken system?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

IT wouldn't be a bad start to just reform the election process.
We could start with no voting machines (Walden O'Dell got Bush Ohio- not the
voters) , two day elections on weeks ends and fines for people who don't
vote. I'd like to see laws that fined canidates for lies in political adds.
The fines should be progressive to the point of wiping out canidates.
"rw" wrote in message
m...
In the 2000 election Gore won the popular vote by about 500,000 votes,
but lost the election to Bush by the Electoral vote count.

In the 2004 election Bush won the popular vote by about 3,500,000 votes,
but if Kerry had gotten about 140,000 more votes in Ohio he would now be
the President-elect by virtue of a majority of Electoral votes.

Isn't it time to reform this stupid, broken system?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

IT wouldn't be a bad start to just reform the election process.
We could start with no voting machines (Walden O'Dell got Bush Ohio- not the
voters) , two day elections on weeks ends and fines for people who don't
vote. I'd like to see laws that fined canidates for lies in political adds.
The fines should be progressive to the point of wiping out canidates.
"rw" wrote in message
m...
In the 2000 election Gore won the popular vote by about 500,000 votes,
but lost the election to Bush by the Electoral vote count.

In the 2004 election Bush won the popular vote by about 3,500,000 votes,
but if Kerry had gotten about 140,000 more votes in Ohio he would now be
the President-elect by virtue of a majority of Electoral votes.

Isn't it time to reform this stupid, broken system?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

rw wrote:

The Constitution is
a living document.


well...so far. but you gotta admit it's gasping, choking, and suffering
seizures. ...and, i'm afraid the next round of proposed amendments, if
added, will serve to infect it with a disease from which it and we may
never recover. i prefer we avoid all further amendments.