OT Hunting tragedy in Wisconsin

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
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George Cleveland wrote:

Its basically been all anyone has been talking about here in northern
Wisconsin for the last two days. While I think we've had some people
who were murdered during deer hunting before, we've never experienced
an example of someone going off the deep end like this before. Since
the shootist was a Hmong refugee there has been an increase in racial
tensions in addition to the old fights about assault weapons (the gun
was an SKS with a 20 round banana clip) , personal responsibility and
even the effect that practices like deer baiting have had on the
psyche of the average Wisconsin deer hunter.

Refugee ? Twenty-four years in the US, speaks fluent English,
naturalized US citizen, hard working taxpayer who annually
buys an out-of-state Wisconsin hunting license.

How long you figure before he's not a refugee anymore ?


Well, at this rate, a long, long time.

:-(
--riverman

On 11/23/04 8:46 AM, in article ,
"George Cleveland" wrote:

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:43:55 +0200, "Osmo Jauhiainen"
wrote:

Have you seen this?

http://www.greenbaynewschron.com/pag...article=128703

OsmoJ

Its basically been all anyone has been talking about here in northern
Wisconsin for the last two days. While I think we've had some people
who were murdered during deer hunting before, we've never experienced
an example of someone going off the deep end like this before. Since
the shootist was a Hmong refugee there has been an increase in racial
tensions in addition to the old fights about assault weapons (the gun
was an SKS with a 20 round banana clip)

One of the news reports I read/heard said that the rifle used was a type
used commonly for deer hunting. Is this true? I know next to nothing about
hunting- check that, I know nothing about hunting.

Bill

"William Claspy" wrote in message
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One of the news reports I read/heard said that the rifle used was a
type
used commonly for deer hunting. Is this true? I know next to
nothing about
hunting- check that, I know nothing about hunting.

I don't know anything about that particular rifle, but auto-loaders in
general are quite common. Beyond that, it's just a matter of
capacity. Anything that's designed to use an external magazine is
limited only by the size of the magazine itself.

All that said, I think that until we know more about exactly what
happened it's impossible to say with any certainty whether or not the
nature of the particular weapon used in this case is a legitimate
issue. Most modern hunting rifles will hold several rounds and all
can be reloaded and fired quickly......certainly quickly enough to get
off twenty or so rounds in under two minutes.

Wolfgang

In article , says...
"William Claspy" wrote in message
...
One of the news reports I read/heard said that the rifle used was a
type
used commonly for deer hunting. Is this true? I know next to
nothing about
hunting- check that, I know nothing about hunting.

I don't know anything about that particular rifle, but auto-loaders in
general are quite common. Beyond that, it's just a matter of
capacity. Anything that's designed to use an external magazine is
limited only by the size of the magazine itself.


The rifle in question was a Chinese SKS, you can see one he
http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl01-e.htm
It is a common military rifle made in numerous communist bloc
countries. It shoots a 7.62x39 mm cartridge, which is roughly
similar to the American .308 military cartridge (which is also
a very popular cartridge for hunting and competitive target
shooting.) The SKS is popular mostly because it's cheap -- if you
search around a little at gun shows or pawn shops, you can usually
get one for under $100. I shot somebody else's SKS at a range once,
and my impression was that it was a cheesy POS.

Kevin

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"Kevin Vang" wrote in message
t...
...I shot somebody else's SKS at a range once,
and my impression was that it was a cheesy POS.


An assessment which, under the circumstances, should not be mistaken
for evidence against its efficacy.

Wolfgang

"Kevin Vang" wrote in message
t...
In article , says...
"William Claspy" wrote in message
...
One of the news reports I read/heard said that the rifle used was a
type
used commonly for deer hunting. Is this true? I know next to
nothing about
hunting- check that, I know nothing about hunting.

I don't know anything about that particular rifle, but auto-loaders in
general are quite common. Beyond that, it's just a matter of
capacity. Anything that's designed to use an external magazine is
limited only by the size of the magazine itself.


The rifle in question was a Chinese SKS, you can see one he
http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl01-e.htm
It is a common military rifle made in numerous communist bloc
countries. It shoots a 7.62x39 mm cartridge, which is roughly
similar to the American .308 military cartridge (which is also
a very popular cartridge for hunting and competitive target
shooting.) The SKS is popular mostly because it's cheap -- if you
search around a little at gun shows or pawn shops, you can usually
get one for under $100. I shot somebody else's SKS at a range once,
and my impression was that it was a cheesy POS.



Damn, I recognize that gun. They are all over the place here....second only
to Kalashnikovs. I bet someone in Kin could pick one up for under $10.

--riverman

"Kevin Vang" wrote in message
t...
...I shot somebody else's SKS at a range once,
and my impression was that it was a cheesy POS.


An assessment which, under the circumstances, should not be mistaken
for evidence against its efficacy.

Wolfgang

William Claspy wrote in message ...
On 11/23/04 8:46 AM, in article ,
"George Cleveland" wrote:

the shootist was a Hmong refugee there has been an increase in racial
tensions in addition to the old fights about assault weapons (the gun
was an SKS with a 20 round banana clip)

One of the news reports I read/heard said that the rifle used was a type
used commonly for deer hunting. Is this true? I know next to nothing about
hunting- check that, I know nothing about hunting.

Where semi-auto rifles are legal for hunting, the SKS is certainly not
uncommon. They're cheap, reliable guns with cheap, widely available
ammo--an attractive combination to many hunters. Some states do not
permit the use of semi-auto rifles for hunting (like PA). High
capacity magazines are not illegal, though I cannot imagine a need for
20 rounds to harvest a single deer.

I've read lots of negative stuff about SE Asian 'hunters' lately. I
say 'hunters' because the stories are often about patches of woods
being completely devoid of life. Apparently some folks believe that
SE Asians like to kill everything that moves--chipmunks, bluebirds,
everything. I have no experience with SE Asians in the field.

Tom G

(Tom Gibson) wrote in
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I've read lots of negative stuff about SE Asian 'hunters' lately. I
say 'hunters' because the stories are often about patches of woods
being completely devoid of life. Apparently some folks believe that
SE Asians like to kill everything that moves--chipmunks, bluebirds,
everything. I have no experience with SE Asians in the field.

Tom G



Man, whenever I hear a nasty story about tracking your deer only to find
three other hunters gutting it out, and you're afraid to say anything
because they're big guys holding guns, the offenders always seem to be
white.

Not every hunter is a sportsman.

Scott

In article ,
Scott Seidman wrote:
(Tom Gibson) wrote in
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I've read lots of negative stuff about SE Asian 'hunters' lately. I
say 'hunters' because the stories are often about patches of woods
being completely devoid of life. Apparently some folks believe that
SE Asians like to kill everything that moves--chipmunks, bluebirds,
everything. I have no experience with SE Asians in the field.

Tom G

Man, whenever I hear a nasty story about tracking your deer only to find
three other hunters gutting it out, and you're afraid to say anything
because they're big guys holding guns, the offenders always seem to be
white.

Not every hunter is a sportsman.

No doubt. Many a white 'hunter' has shot another over a tree stand or
less. The ranks of poachers in the US are primarily white and often
quite proud of their illegal harvests. I've met assholes in the woods
(all of them white, btw) though I've never been around when one guy even
pointed his rifle at another.

Tom G
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