adg fly rods and reels??

In article . umich.edu,
says...

Seriously though. Weren't the premium rods $500 before they instituted
these ridiculous warranties? The price didn;t go up did they? Or maybe
the cost of insurance amounted to only $10-$50 per rod.


Just looking at the Kauffmans website (http://www.kman.com/rods.htm) as
a typical example, the top end of price range for Sage, Winston, Powell,
and Hardy rods is around $750.

My guess is that the cost of the insurance, er, warranty, is fairly
negligible. There is a segment of the market which is willing to cough
up $700 bucks for a fly rod (and a fairly large segment, at that,
apparently) and if offering an extravagant warranty is what it takes
to get a share of that market, then that is what the rod companies
will offer.

Somewhere out there, there has to be somebody who would pay $100,000 for
a fly rod if a replacement rod could be hand delivered in under an hour
by Reese Witherspoon. Yo Bill, there is an under-served market segment
out there for you!

Kevin
Note to Mu: Off my case, toilet face!

On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:06:21 -0600, Kevin Vang wrote:
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Somewhere out there, there has to be somebody who would pay $100,000 for
a fly rod if a replacement rod could be hand delivered in under an hour
by Reese Witherspoon. Yo Bill, there is an under-served market segment
out there for you!

Kevin
Note to Mu: Off my case, toilet face!

"Reese Witherspoon"?? Kinky - in a "lets pretend you're only 15" sort of way.

For that kind of money you could do WAY better, I'm sure.

/daytripper (I'm thinking Gwen Stefani. Mmmmmm. ;-)

And what can make you wonder is when you can get an outstanding, warantied,
top end blank, custom wrapped with the best components from a rod builder
like Dan Craft for less than those rods, much less. And this is a
presentation quality, can't find a fault even under magnification rod. Also
these rods and blanks have had nothing but good press. And you get to pick
exactly how you want to build it, or have it built.

"Mu Young Lee" wrote in message
. itd.umich.edu...

Seriously though. Weren't the premium rods $500 before they instituted
these ridiculous warranties? The price didn;t go up did they? Or maybe
the cost of insurance amounted to only $10-$50 per rod.


You are correct, the year that Sage, Winston, T&T and Scott switched to
lifetime warranties, there was no "out of the ordinary" price increase (they
had been raising prices every year before).

Each handled it differently, sage retro'd many of their rods, Winston
offered you a chance to buy a warranty on certain rods, T&T and Scott only
applied it to rods purchased going forward.

"steve sullivan" wrote in message
...
Anyone familiar with them? I have bought 2 adg 6/7/8 reels (retail
$240), a adg titanium 7/8 rod (retail $900,), adg custom sized weighters
(retail $329)


Not to be contrary, but since you have bought 2 reels, one rod, and waders
(not sure I want to be wading a big bruising river wearing weighters)
obviously you liked them and said such. What does it matter what the rest of
us think of them? and why should you care if we like them or not.

Assuming you came by the money legally, and did not use the mortgage or
grocery money to buy the stuff, your use of the stuff and what you paid for
it are your own business.

Warranties change from lots of companies. If one business model doesn't
work and then you try something else or close. Personally, IMO, any
"uncoditional" warranty involving anything more than a shipping charge is
not an unconditional warranty. Regardless you can run your reel over with a
truck and still get a new one for $9, $49, or $100. Seems to me you still
come out a head.

While it doesn' t mean anything, I've not heard of adg products except here.
But allow me to give you your first economics lesson. If your retail $900
rod, sells for $450, then bubba your rod retails for $450.

Wayne
who can see a $900 rod, if made by a master like Tom Morgan or if the blank
consist of Tonkin Cane.

Other rod and blank companies have used the titanium hype, They mix a little
titanium fairy dust in the resin and we're all supposed to beat a path to
their door. The old sales adage still applies, if it's "Improved" the price
just went up, if it's "New and Improved" it just doubled.

Who is "adg"? I have no idea?

Anyone who wants to can have their own brand name fly rods made over seas
now.

When ever I buy anything, I like to recognize the name even if it is
"Hyundai".
--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA
www.kiene.com

"steve sullivan" wrote in message
...

Anyone familiar with them? I have bought 2 adg 6/7/8 reels (retail
$240), a adg titanium 7/8 rod (retail $900,), adg custom sized weighters
(retail $329)

They are all very good quality wise. I like the reels as much as I like
my hardy lrh.

What are people's opinion of them? While they are great products, the
warranty's are very discouraging.

My $200 plus reel's warranty card says :
UNCONDITIONAL WARRANTY. If any part of the reel fails to perform for
any reason, send it to us for repair with your address, receipt, and
registration copy, and $9.50 for shipping and handling.

Ok, you buy a $240 reel and they will fix it for ANY REASON for just
$9.50. But wait, after you have had your product a while you find out
they dont like just getting $9.50, so after the fact they are changing
your unconditional warranty to charging you $69.

This reel is as well built as my hardy, so I am not that concerned
My $450(on sale)rod says it has a unconditional lifetime warranty, for
$49 they will fix it or send you a new one. Apparently they are now
changing it to $100. I have not confirmed that but I will almost
certainly take it back if this is true. When one buys a rod that
retails for $900 and it has a uncondtional warranty, having to pay $100
if anything happens is insane.

Have any of the other companys changed the pricing of warranty AFTER THE
FACT? Because ADG has no qualms about retroactively changing the
warranty.

Adg are AWESOME PRODUCTS. In my opinion their warranty is insane. You
get the old bait and switch. You get a unconditional warranty with your
$250 reel that they will fix it for $9.95 and they then change it on you
to $70. Your $450 rod (retails for $900) they decide to change your
warranty from $49 to $98.

What are good rods in 8/9 weight that are titanium, and what is the
warranty?

Adg products are very good products, but their thinking they can change
the costs of a warranty after the fact greatly sully the company

In article ,
"Bill Kiene" wrote:

Who is "adg"? I have no idea?

Anyone who wants to can have their own brand name fly rods made over seas
now.

When ever I buy anything, I like to recognize the name even if it is
"Hyundai".

Well go to www.adgfish.com and you will see. Their rods are used by
casting champions and the tape they use on their waders is wanted by all
the wader makers including simms.

steve sullivan wrote:

In article ,
"Bill Kiene" wrote:


Who is "adg"? I have no idea?

Anyone who wants to can have their own brand name fly rods made over seas
now.

When ever I buy anything, I like to recognize the name even if it is
"Hyundai".


Well go to www.adgfish.com and you will see. Their rods are used by
casting champions and the tape they use on their waders is wanted by all
the wader makers including simms.


you are a fool.

waldo

In article t,
ezflyfisher wrote:



steve sullivan wrote:

In article ,
"Bill Kiene" wrote:


Who is "adg"? I have no idea?

Anyone who wants to can have their own brand name fly rods made over seas
now.

When ever I buy anything, I like to recognize the name even if it is
"Hyundai".


Well go to www.adgfish.com and you will see. Their rods are used by
casting champions and the tape they use on their waders is wanted by all
the wader makers including simms.


you are a fool.

I am not a fool. I may be ignorant, but I am not a fool. What am I
ignorant about?