All Star Rods - Now Shakespeare

"Bob La Londe" wrote in
:

To address your concerns, The All Star warranty has not changed.
The limited Life Time warranty card states that to receive warranty
service, submit your rod along with the owner's portion of the
warranty card and $15.00 for return postage. The only thing that has
changed is the location. I think the difference the public may feel is
that we are now adhering to our policy, whereas the staff in Houston
did not.

It's a pretty stupid policy. It goes well beyond proving original
ownership to have to produce a piece of paper that you got with your rod.
It should be enough that your name matches the name on the registration
form.

Scott

Bob La Londe wrote:
I asked Shakespeare myself and got the following strict response.



Dear Mr. La Londe,

Thank you for writing. We appreciate any and all feedback from our
consumers. To address your concerns, The All Star warranty has not changed.
The limited Life Time warranty card states that to receive warranty service,
submit your rod along with the owner's portion of the warranty card and
$15.00 for return postage. The only thing that has changed is the location.
I think the difference the public may feel is that we are now adhering to
our policy, whereas the staff in Houston did not. The policy of replacing
rods, at minimal or no cost, oft times with no questions asked is the
reason the All Star company got into the red and was made a takeover target.
Our service center in Columbia, SC has no problem honoring a warranty
provided that the consumer can produce all the required documentation. Our
warranty is made clear on all of our products and we will continue to
process all claims as the policy states. The Shakespeare Fishing Tackle
Co.and Pflueger has been in business for over 100 years. Our products are
popular and are loved by many consumers worldwide. We will continue to make
quality products and provide quality service for many years to come. For
more information on our products, service and warranties, please visit our
websites:

www.allstarrods.com www.pfluegerfishing.com www.shakespeare-fishing.com.



Regards,

Patricia Walker

Consumer Services & Warranty

"just me" wrote in message
bal.net...

I broke the front section of an All Star rod - good rod, probably $100 -
$125 or thereabouts. In the past I have been able to go to the factory
here in Houston and get immediate service. All Star had been fantastic
for years, either replacing the item at minimal or no cost or repairing
it for a very reasonable price.

I went by their site today and it is closed with a sign showing a 1.800
number. I called it. It is a Shakespeare service number, as
Shakespeare bought All Star a few months back. I explained the problem
and was told I'd have to go back thru the store where I bought the rod
to get any service, warranty or otherwise. I asked if I could at least
buy a replacement section, directly. I was told, in no uncertain terms,
that Shakespeare did not provide that service.

When I explained that I had been a big fan of All Star because of their
great products and fantastic service, the lady commented, "That's the
reason they aren't in business anymore.".

I haven't had any dealings with Shakespeare or bought any Shakespeare
products for a bunch of years because this is the same experience I had
with them "back when" - their service was LOUSY then and doesn't appear
to have changed.

Castaway, you just gained a customer.

BTW, Shakespeare also owns Pfleuger (sp ??), so I'll be avoiding them,
too.

Anyone else had this kind of experience with Shakespeare?

Glen




I have a hard time believing the fact that returns and exchanges were
the reason for this more than Shakespeare wanting to further into the
green on All-Star than they currently were. Obviously if people have to
jump through flaming hoops to get an exchange less and less people are
going to do it. I have never had a problem with Loomis or St. Croix on
exchanges. I never had to prove anything to either of them. Then again
I went through a rod builder, so that probably makes a significant
difference.

It is really too bad all this is taking place, I had a bad gut feeling
about them when I stopped at the booth in fishing show in Green Bay last
month and couldn't get a second of the guys time to talk about either
All-Star or Pflueger. It is really unfortunate. Oh well, lets see how
all of this unfolds.

Chris

"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
.. .
Bob La Londe wrote:
I asked Shakespeare myself and got the following strict response.



Dear Mr. La Londe,

Thank you for writing. We appreciate any and all feedback from our
consumers. To address your concerns, The All Star warranty has not
changed.
The limited Life Time warranty card states that to receive warranty
service,
submit your rod along with the owner's portion of the warranty card and
$15.00 for return postage. The only thing that has changed is the
location.
I think the difference the public may feel is that we are now adhering
to
our policy, whereas the staff in Houston did not. The policy of
replacing
rods, at minimal or no cost, oft times with no questions asked is the
reason the All Star company got into the red and was made a takeover
target.
Our service center in Columbia, SC has no problem honoring a warranty
provided that the consumer can produce all the required documentation.
Our
warranty is made clear on all of our products and we will continue to
process all claims as the policy states. The Shakespeare Fishing Tackle
Co.and Pflueger has been in business for over 100 years. Our products
are
popular and are loved by many consumers worldwide. We will continue to
make
quality products and provide quality service for many years to come. For
more information on our products, service and warranties, please visit
our
websites:

www.allstarrods.com www.pfluegerfishing.com
www.shakespeare-fishing.com.



Regards,

Patricia Walker

Consumer Services & Warranty

"just me" wrote in message
bal.net...

I broke the front section of an All Star rod - good rod, probably $100 -
$125 or thereabouts. In the past I have been able to go to the factory
here in Houston and get immediate service. All Star had been fantastic
for years, either replacing the item at minimal or no cost or repairing
it for a very reasonable price.

I went by their site today and it is closed with a sign showing a 1.800
number. I called it. It is a Shakespeare service number, as
Shakespeare bought All Star a few months back. I explained the problem
and was told I'd have to go back thru the store where I bought the rod
to get any service, warranty or otherwise. I asked if I could at least
buy a replacement section, directly. I was told, in no uncertain terms,
that Shakespeare did not provide that service.

When I explained that I had been a big fan of All Star because of their
great products and fantastic service, the lady commented, "That's the
reason they aren't in business anymore.".

I haven't had any dealings with Shakespeare or bought any Shakespeare
products for a bunch of years because this is the same experience I had
with them "back when" - their service was LOUSY then and doesn't appear
to have changed.

Castaway, you just gained a customer.

BTW, Shakespeare also owns Pfleuger (sp ??), so I'll be avoiding them,
too.

Anyone else had this kind of experience with Shakespeare?

Glen




I have a hard time believing the fact that returns and exchanges were
the reason for this more than Shakespeare wanting to further into the
green on All-Star than they currently were. Obviously if people have to
jump through flaming hoops to get an exchange less and less people are
going to do it. I have never had a problem with Loomis or St. Croix on
exchanges. I never had to prove anything to either of them. Then again
I went through a rod builder, so that probably makes a significant
difference.

It is really too bad all this is taking place, I had a bad gut feeling
about them when I stopped at the booth in fishing show in Green Bay last
month and couldn't get a second of the guys time to talk about either
All-Star or Pflueger. It is really unfortunate. Oh well, lets see how
all of this unfolds.

Chris

I never had any problem with St Croix either. They did send me a note
telling me how to take better care of my rods though. LOL. Fenwick,
Quantum, and Lamiglass also all treated me very well with Lamiglass being
the slowest perhaps.

Since I was the one that started all this broohaha I'm gonna jump in
with another of my 2 cents worth.

I haven't seen anything by All Star and/or Shakespeare that makes me
change my mind about not buying any of their products. For me to spend
upwards of a hundred bucks, maybe more, for a rod, then only get a
"limited lifetime warranty", have to spend $30 or so (shipping, both
ways) in the event it fails and I can PROVE it was a defect, and THEN
have to go thru the hassle of shipping, etc. won't cut it with me. Life
is too short and there are too many fish to catch to go thru all that.

I think I'll take the advice of one of the sports writers here in
Houston. Writing a few days back, he said that there are a lot of good
(not necessarily great, but good) rods on the market that sell for
around $40, even less on sale. Further, he said that unless you can
REALLY, HONESTLY tell the difference between one of these and a high $$
rod, you might as well stick with the $40 one. Then, if it fails, or
you do something dumb, all you're out is a net $10 and a trip to the
sporting goods store where you probably needed something else anyway.

No hassle - go fish!

Glen





In article 1112218876.5ab6e6a500acc224172f505bf72ff4d5@teran ews,
says...
"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
.. .
Bob La Londe wrote:
I asked Shakespeare myself and got the following strict response.



Dear Mr. La Londe,

Thank you for writing. We appreciate any and all feedback from our
consumers. To address your concerns, The All Star warranty has not
changed.
The limited Life Time warranty card states that to receive warranty
service,
submit your rod along with the owner's portion of the warranty card and
$15.00 for return postage. The only thing that has changed is the
location.
I think the difference the public may feel is that we are now adhering
to
our policy, whereas the staff in Houston did not. The policy of
replacing
rods, at minimal or no cost, oft times with no questions asked is the
reason the All Star company got into the red and was made a takeover
target.
Our service center in Columbia, SC has no problem honoring a warranty
provided that the consumer can produce all the required documentation.
Our
warranty is made clear on all of our products and we will continue to
process all claims as the policy states. The Shakespeare Fishing Tackle
Co.and Pflueger has been in business for over 100 years. Our products
are
popular and are loved by many consumers worldwide. We will continue to
make
quality products and provide quality service for many years to come. For
more information on our products, service and warranties, please visit
our
websites:

www.allstarrods.com www.pfluegerfishing.com
www.shakespeare-fishing.com.



Regards,

Patricia Walker

Consumer Services & Warranty

"just me" wrote in me

Here's the bottom line.
The only real difference between a nice $80 rod and a $250 rod is the
warranty. Period.

"Glen" wrote in message
obal.net...
Since I was the one that started all this broohaha I'm gonna jump in
with another of my 2 cents worth.

I haven't seen anything by All Star and/or Shakespeare that makes me
change my mind about not buying any of their products. For me to spend
upwards of a hundred bucks, maybe more, for a rod, then only get a
"limited lifetime warranty", have to spend $30 or so (shipping, both
ways) in the event it fails and I can PROVE it was a defect, and THEN
have to go thru the hassle of shipping, etc. won't cut it with me. Life
is too short and there are too many fish to catch to go thru all that.

I think I'll take the advice of one of the sports writers here in
Houston. Writing a few days back, he said that there are a lot of good
(not necessarily great, but good) rods on the market that sell for
around $40, even less on sale. Further, he said that unless you can
REALLY, HONESTLY tell the difference between one of these and a high $$
rod, you might as well stick with the $40 one. Then, if it fails, or
you do something dumb, all you're out is a net $10 and a trip to the
sporting goods store where you probably needed something else anyway.

No hassle - go fish!

Glen





In article 1112218876.5ab6e6a500acc224172f505bf72ff4d5@teran ews,
says...
"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
.. .
Bob La Londe wrote:
I asked Shakespeare myself and got the following strict response.



Dear Mr. La Londe,

Thank you for writing. We appreciate any and all feedback from our
consumers. To address your concerns, The All Star warranty has not
changed.
The limited Life Time warranty card states that to receive warranty
service,
submit your rod along with the owner's portion of the warranty card
and
$15.00 for return postage. The only thing that has changed is the
location.
I think the difference the public may feel is that we are now
adhering
to
our policy, whereas the staff in Houston did not. The policy of
replacing
rods, at minimal or no cost, oft times with no questions asked is
the
reason the All Star company got into the red and was made a takeover
target.
Our service center in Columbia, SC has no problem honoring a
warranty
provided that the consumer can produce all the required
documentation.
Our
warranty is made clear on all of our products and we will continue
to
process all claims as the policy states. The Shakespeare Fishing
Tackle
Co.and Pflueger has been in business for over 100 years. Our
products
are
popular and are loved by many consumers worldwide. We will continue
to
make
quality products and provide quality service for many years to come.
For
more information on our products, service and warranties, please
visit
our
websites:

www.allstarrods.com www.pfluegerfishing.com
www.shakespeare-fishing.com.



Regards,

Patricia Walker

Consumer Services & Warranty

"just me" wrote in me

"Pat Goff @yahoo.com" pmgoffjrbot wrote in message
...
Here's the bottom line.
The only real difference between a nice $80 rod and a $250 rod is the
warranty. Period.

I agree.



"Glen" wrote in message
obal.net...
Since I was the one that started all this broohaha I'm gonna jump in
with another of my 2 cents worth.

I haven't seen anything by All Star and/or Shakespeare that makes me
change my mind about not buying any of their products. For me to spend
upwards of a hundred bucks, maybe more, for a rod, then only get a
"limited lifetime warranty", have to spend $30 or so (shipping, both
ways) in the event it fails and I can PROVE it was a defect, and THEN
have to go thru the hassle of shipping, etc. won't cut it with me. Life
is too short and there are too many fish to catch to go thru all that.

I think I'll take the advice of one of the sports writers here in
Houston. Writing a few days back, he said that there are a lot of good
(not necessarily great, but good) rods on the market that sell for
around $40, even less on sale. Further, he said that unless you can
REALLY, HONESTLY tell the difference between one of these and a high $$
rod, you might as well stick with the $40 one. Then, if it fails, or
you do something dumb, all you're out is a net $10 and a trip to the
sporting goods store where you probably needed something else anyway.

No hassle - go fish!

Glen





In article 1112218876.5ab6e6a500acc224172f505bf72ff4d5@teran ews,
says...
"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
.. .
Bob La Londe wrote:
I asked Shakespeare myself and got the following strict response.



Dear Mr. La Londe,

Thank you for writing. We appreciate any and all feedback from our
consumers. To address your concerns, The All Star warranty has
not
changed.
The limited Life Time warranty card states that to receive
warranty
service,
submit your rod along with the owner's portion of the warranty
card
and
$15.00 for return postage. The only thing that has changed is the
location.
I think the difference the public may feel is that we are now
adhering
to
our policy, whereas the staff in Houston did not. The policy of
replacing
rods, at minimal or no cost, oft times with no questions asked is
the
reason the All Star company got into the red and was made a
takeover
target.
Our service center in Columbia, SC has no problem honoring a
warranty
provided that the consumer can produce all the required
documentation.
Our
warranty is made clear on all of our products and we will continue
to
process all claims as the policy states. The Shakespeare Fishing
Tackle
Co.and Pflueger has been in business for over 100 years. Our
products
are
popular and are loved by many consumers worldwide. We will
continue
to
make
quality products and provide quality service for many years to
come.
For
more information on our products, service and warranties, please
visit
our
websites:

www.allstarrods.com www.pfluegerfishing.com
www.shakespeare-fishing.com.



Regards,

Patricia Walker

Consumer Services & Warranty

"just me" wrote in me

That tells me that some of you have never used a GOOD $250 rod. I have, and
the difference is like comparing the ride of a jeep to a Rolls.

--
Bob Rickard
(AKA Dr. Spinnerbait)
www.secretweaponlures.com
--------------------------=x O')))

"Kevin" wrote in message
...



"Pat Goff @yahoo.com" pmgoffjrbot wrote in message
...
Here's the bottom line.
The only real difference between a nice $80 rod and a $250 rod is the
warranty. Period.

I agree.



"Glen" wrote in message
obal.net...
Since I was the one that started all this broohaha I'm gonna jump in
with another of my 2 cents worth.

I haven't seen anything by All Star and/or Shakespeare that makes me
change my mind about not buying any of their products. For me to
spend
upwards of a hundred bucks, maybe more, for a rod, then only get a
"limited lifetime warranty", have to spend $30 or so (shipping, both
ways) in the event it fails and I can PROVE it was a defect, and THEN
have to go thru the hassle of shipping, etc. won't cut it with me.
Life
is too short and there are too many fish to catch to go thru all that.

I think I'll take the advice of one of the sports writers here in
Houston. Writing a few days back, he said that there are a lot of
good
(not necessarily great, but good) rods on the market that sell for
around $40, even less on sale. Further, he said that unless you can
REALLY, HONESTLY tell the difference between one of these and a high
$$
rod, you might as well stick with the $40 one. Then, if it fails, or
you do something dumb, all you're out is a net $10 and a trip to the
sporting goods store where you probably needed something else anyway.

No hassle - go fish!

Glen





In article 1112218876.5ab6e6a500acc224172f505bf72ff4d5@teran ews,
says...
"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
.. .
Bob La Londe wrote:
I asked Shakespeare myself and got the following strict
response.



Dear Mr. La Londe,

Thank you for writing. We appreciate any and all feedback from
our
consumers. To address your concerns, The All Star warranty has
not
changed.
The limited Life Time warranty card states that to receive
warranty
service,
submit your rod along with the owner's portion of the warranty
card
and
$15.00 for return postage. The only thing that has changed is
the
location.
I think the difference the public may feel is that we are now
adhering
to
our policy, whereas the staff in Houston did not. The policy of
replacing
rods, at minimal or no cost, oft times with no questions asked
is
the
reason the All Star company got into the red and was made a
takeover
target.
Our service center in Columbia, SC has no problem honoring a
warranty
provided that the consumer can produce all the required
documentation.
Our
warranty is made clear on all of our products and we will
continue
to
process all claims as the policy states. The Shakespeare Fishing
Tackle
Co.and Pflueger has been in business for over 100 years. Our
products
are
popular and are loved by many consumers worldwide. We will
continue
to
make
quality products and provide quality service for many years to
come.
For
more information on our products, service and warranties, please
visit
our
websites:

www.allstarrods.com www.pfluegerfishing.com
www.shakespeare-fishing.com.



Regards,

Patricia Walker

Consumer Services & Warranty

"just me" wrote in me

"Pat Goff" wrote in news:HGJ2e.158$ij5.109
@tornado.texas.rr.com:

Here's the bottom line.
The only real difference between a nice $80 rod and a $250 rod is the
warranty. Period.


Well, there's that matter of whether you're supporting US workers or Korean
workers.

Scott

Pat Goff pmgoffjr wrote:
Here's the bottom line.
The only real difference between a nice $80 rod and a $250 rod is the
warranty. Period.

"Glen" wrote in message
obal.net...

Since I was the one that started all this broohaha I'm gonna jump in
with another of my 2 cents worth.

I haven't seen anything by All Star and/or Shakespeare that makes me
change my mind about not buying any of their products. For me to spend
upwards of a hundred bucks, maybe more, for a rod, then only get a
"limited lifetime warranty", have to spend $30 or so (shipping, both
ways) in the event it fails and I can PROVE it was a defect, and THEN
have to go thru the hassle of shipping, etc. won't cut it with me. Life
is too short and there are too many fish to catch to go thru all that.

I think I'll take the advice of one of the sports writers here in
Houston. Writing a few days back, he said that there are a lot of good
(not necessarily great, but good) rods on the market that sell for
around $40, even less on sale. Further, he said that unless you can
REALLY, HONESTLY tell the difference between one of these and a high $$
rod, you might as well stick with the $40 one. Then, if it fails, or
you do something dumb, all you're out is a net $10 and a trip to the
sporting goods store where you probably needed something else anyway.

No hassle - go fish!

Glen





In article 1112218876.5ab6e6a500acc224172f505bf72ff4d5@teran ews,
says...

"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
t...

Bob La Londe wrote:

I asked Shakespeare myself and got the following strict response.



Dear Mr. La Londe,

Thank you for writing. We appreciate any and all feedback from our
consumers. To address your concerns, The All Star warranty has not

changed.

The limited Life Time warranty card states that to receive warranty

service,

submit your rod along with the owner's portion of the warranty card

and

$15.00 for return postage. The only thing that has changed is the

location.

I think the difference the public may feel is that we are now

adhering

to

our policy, whereas the staff in Houston did not. The policy of

replacing

rods, at minimal or no cost, oft times with no questions asked is

the

reason the All Star company got into the red and was made a takeover

target.

Our service center in Columbia, SC has no problem honoring a

warranty

provided that the consumer can produce all the required

documentation.

Our

warranty is made clear on all of our products and we will continue

to

process all claims as the policy states. The Shakespeare Fishing

Tackle

Co.and Pflueger has been in business for over 100 years. Our

products

are

popular and are loved by many consumers worldwide. We will continue

to

make

quality products and provide quality service for many years to come.

For

more information on our products, service and warranties, please

visit

our

websites:

www.allstarrods.com www.pfluegerfishing.com

www.shakespeare-fishing.com.



Regards,

Patricia Walker

Consumer Services & Warranty

"just me" wrote in me



Pat ,

I don't totally disagree with you except for the fact of a custom built
rod compared to a store bought rod. There is a huge difference between
a $250 custom built rod, and a off the rack $80 rod. First you are
almost guaranteed that it will be spined correctly (depending on the
builder). Not only that you can get it internally counter balanced
which makes holding it all day a hell of a lot easier. I have had 3 off
the rack rods counter balanced internally, and the difference in just
that is amazing. I also have a buddy that builds custom float rods for
steelhead, and the difference of me holding my $100 13' Raven float rod,
compared to his 13' Loomis IMX is night and day. He had the option of
SIC Titanium guides, single foot that feel lighter than paper. Put 13
of those on a rod and they actually add considerable up front weight.
Then add counter balancing and a really good reel seat, and the
castability and fishability of the rod just makes my $100 rod seem like
a piece of garbage. I used to believe there wasn't much difference
between higher end rods, and that i was just buying a name. I know now,
within the last 5 years of float fishing that they are worlds apart,
plus those Loomis rods, have a great warranty like you said.

I do agree, that if you buy a $250 rod off the rack and an $80 rod off
the rack (compare a 7' Premier M Spinning rod to a Loomis 7' M spinning
rod) you would be hard pressed to find significant differences in
weight and action.

Just my opinions

Chris

I was referring to pulling a rod off a display in a retail store, nothing
custom wrapped.


"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
.. .
Pat Goff pmgoffjr wrote:
Here's the bottom line.
The only real difference between a nice $80 rod and a $250 rod is the
warranty. Period.

"Glen" wrote in message
obal.net...

Since I was the one that started all this broohaha I'm gonna jump in
with another of my 2 cents worth.

I haven't seen anything by All Star and/or Shakespeare that makes me
change my mind about not buying any of their products. For me to spend
upwards of a hundred bucks, maybe more, for a rod, then only get a
"limited lifetime warranty", have to spend $30 or so (shipping, both
ways) in the event it fails and I can PROVE it was a defect, and THEN
have to go thru the hassle of shipping, etc. won't cut it with me. Life
is too short and there are too many fish to catch to go thru all that.

I think I'll take the advice of one of the sports writers here in
Houston. Writing a few days back, he said that there are a lot of good
(not necessarily great, but good) rods on the market that sell for
around $40, even less on sale. Further, he said that unless you can
REALLY, HONESTLY tell the difference between one of these and a high $$
rod, you might as well stick with the $40 one. Then, if it fails, or
you do something dumb, all you're out is a net $10 and a trip to the
sporting goods store where you probably needed something else anyway.

No hassle - go fish!

Glen





In article 1112218876.5ab6e6a500acc224172f505bf72ff4d5@teran ews,
says...

"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
t...

Bob La Londe wrote:

I asked Shakespeare myself and got the following strict response.



Dear Mr. La Londe,

Thank you for writing. We appreciate any and all feedback from our
consumers. To address your concerns, The All Star warranty has not

changed.

The limited Life Time warranty card states that to receive warranty

service,

submit your rod along with the owner's portion of the warranty card

and

$15.00 for return postage. The only thing that has changed is the

location.

I think the difference the public may feel is that we are now

adhering

to

our policy, whereas the staff in Houston did not. The policy of

replacing

rods, at minimal or no cost, oft times with no questions asked is

the

reason the All Star company got into the red and was made a takeover

target.

Our service center in Columbia, SC has no problem honoring a

warranty

provided that the consumer can produce all the required

documentation.

Our

warranty is made clear on all of our products and we will continue

to

process all claims as the policy states. The Shakespeare Fishing

Tackle

Co.and Pflueger has been in business for over 100 years. Our

products

are

popular and are loved by many consumers worldwide. We will continue

to

make

quality products and provide quality service for many years to come.

For

more information on our products, service and warranties, please

visit

our

websites:

www.allstarrods.com www.pfluegerfishing.com

www.shakespeare-fishing.com.



Regards,

Patricia Walker

Consumer Services & Warranty

"just me" wrote in me



Pat ,

I don't totally disagree with you except for the fact of a custom built
rod compared to a store bought rod. There is a huge difference between
a $250 custom built rod, and a off the rack $80 rod. First you are
almost guaranteed that it will be spined correctly (depending on the
builder). Not only that you can get it internally counter balanced
which makes holding it all day a hell of a lot easier. I have had 3 off
the rack rods counter balanced internally, and the difference in just
that is amazing. I also have a buddy that builds custom float rods for
steelhead, and the difference of me holding my $100 13' Raven float rod,
compared to his 13' Loomis IMX is night and day. He had the option of
SIC Titanium guides, single foot that feel lighter than paper. Put 13
of those on a rod and they actually add considerable up front weight.
Then add counter balancing and a really good reel seat, and the
castability and fishability of the rod just makes my $100 rod seem like
a piece of garbage. I used to believe there wasn't much difference
between higher end rods, and that i was just buying a name. I know now,
within the last 5 years of float fishing that they are worlds apart,
plus those Loomis rods, have a great warranty like you said.

I do agree, that if you buy a $250 rod off the rack and an $80 rod off
the rack (compare a 7' Premier M Spinning rod to a Loomis 7' M spinning
rod) you would be hard pressed to find significant differences in
weight and action.

Just my opinions

Chris