I'm sure that 40 was going to post this link...

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Conan The Librarian wrote:

While I enjoy reverse-snobbism as well as the next guy, your
seeming need to classify as a "beer snob" anyone who recognizes Bud
for what it is, says a lot more about you than you might realize.

Budweiser is the best selling beer in America.

Ah, so popularity is a reliable measure of how good something is?

Budweiser is
consistently ranked as the best beer *of it's style* brewed
in the world.

By whom?

But all those people and all those industry
experts are wrong because only the select few really recognize
Bud for what it is. And of course, you're one of those select
few.

Congratulations on your accomplishment.

Hey, it's easy enough to do (well, for me anyway). I don't fall for
ads with dogs and talking lizards and such, nor do I have a blind
devotion (bordering on fanaticism) for the beers I enjoy. On a hot day
I'll drink a Busch (yes, imagine that), on a cold day it's more likely
to be an ale or stout. (Just between you and me, I've even been known
to drink a Bud when nothing else is available.)

You know, this is all the more funny considering that you are a
self-proclaimed dry fly snob. How would you respond if I were to start
a thread saying that more baitcasting/spinning gear is sold in the U.S.
than flyfishing gear, or that all the experts agree that baitfishing is
the most effective way to catch fish?

This defensiveness on your part wrt your beloved Budweiser is hilarious.


Chuck Vance

Ken asserts:
===============
Budweiser is the best selling beer in America. Budweiser is
consistently ranked as the best beer *of it's style* brewed
in the world.
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The key to your assertion is "of it's style". The style is "crap
beers". Bud may be the best of that style.

frtzw906

This is not meant as a reply to any given person's post. I wanted to say
something and I just needed a place to stick my thoughts ( yeah, yeah, ha,
ha ... stuck with the rest of my head, up my ... )



I've never met anyone, not one person, that wasn't a snob and a bigot about
something. Indeed I believe it's part of being human ... with the
awareness of self seems to come a belief that "self" is better than
others....certainly a need to believe so, a need that will overwhelm facts
and logic

So, it seems to me that all discussion of whether someone is a snob is
meaningless .... and only discussing what subjects he/ she feels superior
about give much insight into individual characteristics.

That said, and being a 18 year sober recovering alcoholic anti-booze snob, I
think it says reams about this particular collection of bored people that
beer is important enough to warrant such intense feelings and lengthy
discussion.



I can remember the 'booze snob" stage of the disease .... alcohol being so
important to me ... but in a "good way," of course
............ and the "there was nobody left to even bluff" stage, not that
much later.


Larry ( who wasted a lot of life and not all of it on "cheap" booze and who
advises drinking Diet Coke :-)

Larry L wrote:

That said, and being a 18 year sober recovering alcoholic anti-booze snob, I
think it says reams about this particular collection of bored people that
beer is important enough to warrant such intense feelings and lengthy
discussion.

It's not about beer. It's about that nudnik's insufferable hypocrisy and
intolerance.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Larry L wrote:
This is not meant as a reply to any given person's post. I wanted to say
something and I just needed a place to stick my thoughts ( yeah, yeah, ha,
ha ... stuck with the rest of my head, up my ... )

Bernie Miklasz is a sports columnist for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.
This is lifted from a recent column in which he gives tongue-in-cheek
advice to Final Four fans visiting St. Louis from out of town.

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What to eat: There are four basic food groups in St. Louis:
(1) Budweiser; (2) toasted ravioli (3) thin-crust pizza;
(4) grilled pork steaks. But feel free to experiment; you can
substitute Bud Light for Budweiser if you like. If you visit
one of our many splendid Italian restaurants, you may order
the mostaciolli, pronounced locally as "muskacholey," but
keep in mind that it's usually reserved for St. Louis weddings.
================================================== =================

That sounds about right to me. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

"Larry L" wrote in message
...
...I've never met anyone, not one person, that wasn't a snob and a bigot
about something. Indeed I believe it's part of being human ... with the
awareness of self seems to come a belief that "self" is better than
others....certainly a need to believe so, a need that will overwhelm
facts and logic...

Definitions of snobbery and bigotry so broad as to allow the inclusion of
every man, woman and child on the planet aren't good for very much, it seems
to me.

Wolfgang
who never met no kennie of assissi.

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:48:14 -0500, vincent p. norris
wrote:

The more elderly among you remember Ed Zern, who wrote a humor column
"Exit Laughing" on the last page of Field & Stream for many years, and
later collected them into a number of books with titles like To Hell
with Fishing, Are Fishermen People, A Fine Kettle of Fish Stories,
etc.

That's what he did for fun.

In his day job, Ed was Creative Director of a big-time Madison Avenue
ad agency, Geyer, Morey, Madden and Ballard. You may recall the Nash
Ambassador ads Ed wrote and illustrated.

Um, YOU might - those of us not alive with the dinosaurs, pre-Sinclair's
involvement, might not.

That said, however, one of the best fishing books ever, IMO is _The Hell
With Fishing_, courtesy of Webster and Zern (and let's not leave out the
other "The Hell With...." books)...heck, it was probably an instant
classic...

TC,
R

That said, however, one of the best fishing books ever, IMO is _The Hell
With Fishing_, courtesy of Webster and Zern

I can't seem to locate my copy of that book at the moment, but I
believe Ed illustrated all his books himself, as he also illustrated
his F&S collumns and the Nash ads in sporting mags.

His sketches may look a bit like Webster's, but they're Ed's. I've
watched him sketch people while carrying on a conversation with them.

Out of curiosity, I just googled Ed Zern, and found a site with a
number of his cartoons:

http://www.flyanglersonline.com/lighterside/zern/

vince





(and let's not leave out the
other "The Hell With...." books)...heck, it was probably an instant
classic...

TC,
R

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:44:56 -0500, vincent p. norris
wrote:

That said, however, one of the best fishing books ever, IMO is _The Hell
With Fishing_, courtesy of Webster and Zern

I can't seem to locate my copy of that book at the moment, but I
believe Ed illustrated all his books himself, as he also illustrated
his F&S collumns and the Nash ads in sporting mags.

His sketches may look a bit like Webster's, but they're Ed's. I've
watched him sketch people while carrying on a conversation with them.

Out of curiosity, I just googled Ed Zern, and found a site with a
number of his cartoons:

http://www.flyanglersonline.com/lighterside/zern/

vince

I think you'll find that _To Hell With Fishing_ was Webster and Zern.
In fact, I absolutely know that you'll find that, and in the offhand
chance that you somehow manage to "find" otherwise, that source is
wrong...and from that very book, a quote apropos to another part of this
very thread :

"...many fishermen use flies instead of worms. They think it is more
hoity-toity. If worms cost two bits apiece, and you could dig Royal
Coachmen and Parmacheene Belles out of the manure pile, they would think
differently. This is called human nature."

_To Hell With Fishing_, Ed Zern and HT Webster (really)

TC,
R

I think you'll find that _To Hell With Fishing_ was Webster and Zern.......
_To Hell With Fishing_, Ed Zern and HT Webster (really)

I have no reason to doubt your word; and besides, I scrounged up
several of Zern's books still in my possession. (When you have four
kids who frequently return to visit the Old Folks, hanging onto books,
tools, and other property is a problem. Since they all remember Ed
fondly from the year he spent here, hanging on to his books is even
more difficult).

I found that my blanket statement was incorrect. _A Fine Kettle of
Fish Stories_ was illustrated by John McDermott.

_Hunting and Fishing from A to Zern_ is, as the title suggests, a
larger collection of Zerniana (300+ pages) and some of the stories are
illustrated by Tom Webster and some by Zern.

All the illustrations in _Are Fishermen People?_ are by Zern.

So it's a mixed bag, which I had forgotten in the years since I last
read those books.

vince