The end of the line.

"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
om...

"Daniel-San" wrote in message
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"Tim J." wrote ...

snipola

Maybe, but *I* would have probably given up my seat.
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Agreed. I guess that's why she's worthy of the praise.

Dan

why, that's downright white of you, dan.

jesus.

wayno


???

huh?

"George Adams" wrote ...

Daniel-San wrote:

Don't get me wrong, she is still worthy of all the praise she received
(and
will continue to receive), but the pageantry-version of her story is
sorta
BS.

Dan

Not when you consider the physical courage and mental toughness it took
in refusing the order to give up her seat in 1955. She put herself in
great jeopardy of personal harm. Like Tim, put in the same position, I
would likely have given up my seat.

R.I.P. Rosa


Look, I'm not saying that she didn't do something that took courage. She
refused to give up her seat -- in direct contravention of both the law and
the bus driver there in her face. That took cojones, no doubt. I respect her
immensely for that. What I am saying is that she did not galvanize the civil
rights movement. The NAACP used her case as a rallying point. They had been
prepared to use other cases before Parks', but did not for one reason or
another (one was a 15 year old girl -- looked good until she turned out to
be pregnant). Parks being a woman of nearly impeccable charcter made for a
good rallying point. That's all I'm saying. Sure, absolutely she was a great
human being. As I said before, worthy of the praise she received. But if you
ask 'joe on the street' who she was, you'll get an answer along the lines of
"she started the civil rights movement." That is BS.

Dan

Daniel-San wrote:
"Wayne Harrison" wrote:
"Daniel-San" wrote:
"Tim J." wrote ...
snipola

Maybe, but *I* would have probably given up my seat.

Agreed. I guess that's why she's worthy of the praise.

why, that's downright white of you, dan.

jesus.

wayno

???

huh?

I'll take a stab at it.

First, you took the occasion of her death to point out
to us that Rosa Parks wasn't exceptional and that her
story was in fact sorta BS. Then you "guess" that she
is worthy of praise.

Like my friend in the Old North State said, that's
awfully white of you.

--
Ken Fortenberry

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Daniel-San wrote:
"Wayne Harrison" wrote:
"Daniel-San" wrote:
"Tim J." wrote ...
snipola

Maybe, but *I* would have probably given up my seat.

Agreed. I guess that's why she's worthy of the praise.

why, that's downright white of you, dan.

jesus.

wayno

???

huh?

I'll take a stab at it.

First, you took the occasion of her death to point out
to us that Rosa Parks wasn't exceptional and that her
story was in fact sorta BS. Then you "guess" that she
is worthy of praise.

Like my friend in the Old North State said, that's
awfully white of you.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Well, I guess that I chose my words poorly. Very poorly as a matter of fact.
I did not say that she was not exceptional. I merely pointed out that her
actions were used by others to initiate the civil rights movement. I also
said that she is worthy of the praise she has, and will continue to receive.

If my comments were taken as degrading her, I chose my words poorly.

Dan

Daniel-San typed:
"George Adams" wrote ...

Daniel-San wrote:

Don't get me wrong, she is still worthy of all the praise she
received (and
will continue to receive), but the pageantry-version of her story is
sorta
BS.

Not when you consider the physical courage and mental toughness it
took in refusing the order to give up her seat in 1955. She put
herself in great jeopardy of personal harm. Like Tim, put in the
same position, I would likely have given up my seat.

R.I.P. Rosa

Look, I'm not saying that she didn't do something that took courage. She
refused to give up her seat -- in direct contravention of both
the law and the bus driver there in her face. That took cojones, no
doubt. I respect her immensely for that.

It was much more she was facing. She knew full well that she would be
ostracized by local white society in general. She was arrested, lost her
job, and was fined (I wonder if she was ever reimbursed the $14?).

What I am saying is that she did not galvanize the civil rights movement.

If this act didn't galvanize the movement, what did? This started the public
transportation boycott that near bankrupted the bus line. This is what
brought Martin Luther King to the forefront. I'd say it was probably one of
the single most galvanizing moments in recent history.

The NAACP used her case as a rallying point. They had been prepared to use
other cases before
Parks', but did not for one reason or another (one was a 15 year old
girl -- looked good until she turned out to be pregnant). Parks being
a woman of nearly impeccable charcter made for a good rallying point.

Kinda like a galvanizing moment, wot?

That's all I'm saying. Sure, absolutely she was a great human being.
As I said before, worthy of the praise she received. But if you ask
'joe on the street' who she was, you'll get an answer along the lines
of "she started the civil rights movement." That is BS.

I'm not sure of these Joes of which you speak, but anyone with a brief study
of the civil rights movement knows she didn't start it. She sure did make
people focus on it.
--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

"Tim J." wrote ...
Daniel-San typed:
"George Adams" wrote ...

Daniel-San wrote:

Don't get me wrong, she is still worthy of all the praise she
received (and
will continue to receive), but the pageantry-version of her story is
sorta
BS.

Not when you consider the physical courage and mental toughness it
took in refusing the order to give up her seat in 1955. She put
herself in great jeopardy of personal harm. Like Tim, put in the
same position, I would likely have given up my seat.

R.I.P. Rosa

Look, I'm not saying that she didn't do something that took courage. She
refused to give up her seat -- in direct contravention of both
the law and the bus driver there in her face. That took cojones, no
doubt. I respect her immensely for that.

It was much more she was facing. She knew full well that she would be
ostracized by local white society in general. She was arrested, lost her
job, and was fined (I wonder if she was ever reimbursed the $14?).





What I am saying is that she did not galvanize the civil rights movement.

If this act didn't galvanize the movement, what did? This started the
public transportation boycott that near bankrupted the bus line. This is
what brought Martin Luther King to the forefront. I'd say it was probably
one of the single most galvanizing moments in recent history

The NAACP used her case as a rallying point. They had been prepared to
use other cases before
Parks', but did not for one reason or another (one was a 15 year old
girl -- looked good until she turned out to be pregnant). Parks being
a woman of nearly impeccable charcter made for a good rallying point.

Kinda like a galvanizing moment, wot?

That's all I'm saying. Sure, absolutely she was a great human being.
As I said before, worthy of the praise she received. But if you ask
'joe on the street' who she was, you'll get an answer along the lines
of "she started the civil rights movement." That is BS.

I'm not sure of these Joes of which you speak, but anyone with a brief
study of the civil rights movement knows she didn't start it. She sure did
make people focus on it.


The same "Joes" that would answer "What caused the Civil War?" with
"slavery". Absolutely it was a factor, but it was not the cause. She did not
make people focus on it, the NAACP did when they took her case. She was a
good, decent person who took a personal stand. As Dr. King said: "Mrs. Parks'
arrest was the precipitating factor rather than the cause of the protest.
The cause lay deep in the record of similar injustices...Actually no one can
understand the action of Mrs. Parks unless he realizes that eventually the
cup of endurance runs over, and the human personality cries out, 'I can take
it no longer.'" quick quote from Wikipedia... don't have my copy handy for
page, etc.

That's all I'm sayin'. Great person. Great action. Used by others as a
rallying-cry.

Dan

--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

Not that I want to belittle the effect that Ms Parks action had on the
Civil Rights movement, but I seem to recall an interview with her,
before she achieved media celebrity status, where the interviewer asked
he why she refused to give up her seat. He answer was that it was
because she had just finished a long day at work and she was very tired,
and her feet hurt. She just wanted to sit and relax, and she was, after
all, in the black section of the bus seating arrangement. But, from
little unintended sparks do great fires begin.

--
B²

"Brian Baldwin" wrote in message
...
Not that I want to belittle the effect that Ms Parks action had on the
Civil Rights movement, but I seem to recall an interview with her,
before she achieved media celebrity status, where the interviewer asked
he why she refused to give up her seat. He answer was that it was
because she had just finished a long day at work and she was very tired,
and her feet hurt. She just wanted to sit and relax, and she was, after
all, in the black section of the bus seating arrangement. But, from
little unintended sparks do great fires begin.

--
B²

As I seem now to be the
asshole-rascist-in-charge-of-trying-to-get-things-historically-accurate, I
will point out that the actual quote from her autobio, _My Story_ is that
she was "tired of giving in", not physically tired.

Dan

Daniel-San typed:
"Tim J." wrote ...
Daniel-San typed:
snip
The NAACP used her case as a rallying point. They had been prepared
to use other cases before
Parks', but did not for one reason or another (one was a 15 year old
girl -- looked good until she turned out to be pregnant). Parks
being a woman of nearly impeccable charcter made for a good rallying
point.

Kinda like a galvanizing moment, wot?

That's all I'm saying. Sure, absolutely she was a great human being.
As I said before, worthy of the praise she received. But if you ask
'joe on the street' who she was, you'll get an answer along the
lines of "she started the civil rights movement." That is BS.

I'm not sure of these Joes of which you speak, but anyone with a
brief study of the civil rights movement knows she didn't start it.
She sure did make people focus on it.

The same "Joes" that would answer "What caused the Civil War?" with
"slavery". Absolutely it was a factor, but it was not the cause.

I don't think it was even much of a factor.

She
did not make people focus on it, the NAACP did when they took her
case. She was a good, decent person who took a personal stand.

Kinda like a galvanizing moment, wot?

As Dr.
King said: "Mrs. Parks' arrest was the precipitating factor rather
than the cause of the protest."

Kinda like a galvanizing moment, wot?

" The cause lay deep in the record of
similar injustices...Actually no one can understand the action of
Mrs. Parks unless he realizes that eventually the cup of endurance
runs over, and the human personality cries out, 'I can take it no
longer.'"

Kinda like a galvanizing moment, wot?

quick quote from Wikipedia... don't have my copy handy
for page, etc.
That's all I'm sayin'. Great person. Great action. Used by others as a
rallying-cry.

Kinda like a galvanizing moment, wot?
--
TL,
Tim
(Whew! Now I'm dizzy %-( )
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

"Daniel-San" wrote

If my comments were taken as degrading her, I chose my words poorly.

well, thanks for the clarification.

wayno