Honey Bee Pattern

Wolfgang wrote:
"rw" wrote in message


I'll take reasonable steps to minimize a fish's suffering,


Like......giving up fishing?

Short of that. That's unreasonable.

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Wolfgang wrote:

You think he got it? Wanna try a lecture on signal transduction pathways
next? Give him a bit of the old calcium channels.....g-coupled
proteins....that sort of thing?

What a lamer. It's essentially embarrassing to me that I'm even
associated with something like you.

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I've found bees in trout stomachs several times. Often as not, they're
really seriously stinging wasps -- yellow jackets. One more datum point
that says fish don't feel pain.

Is it possible the fish chomp down on the bees. wasps, hornets, etc.,
to render them unable to sting?

Several of my dogs have quickly learned, after getting stung once, to
snap at them there bugs in such a way as to avoid getting stung.

Are my Brittanys smarter than the average trout? I don't know, but I
have a lot more luck getting them to do my bidding that I have with
the trout.

vince (who know people who eat rattlesnakes but don't get bitten in
the process.)

"rw" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:

You think he got it? Wanna try a lecture on signal transduction pathways
next? Give him a bit of the old calcium channels.....g-coupled
proteins....that sort of thing?

What a lamer. It's essentially embarrassing to me that I'm even associated
with something like you.

It should be........but it's not. In fact, it is a constant source of
gratification to you that I at least APPEAR to take you seriously from time
to time. And THAT is genuinely lame.

And then there's those fantasies.

Wolfgang
hee, hee, hee.

I keep bees myself, Mike, as did my father and grandfather, and I try
to keep up with the research. There's amazingly little known about
exactly where bees mate - drones tend to hover in groups quite high up,
and they're not easy to research, especially when the Queen only mates
once. Bees are very unpredictable beasties.

I'd say there certainly isn't enough known to say that they 'never'
mate in a particular sort of place.

I don't see why it should only be drones that are taken. Workers only
have a life outside the hive of three or four weeks, and they generally
just collapse from exhaustion somewhere in the field. Bees need water
(it's important to give them a source,otherwise they may decide to use
your neighbours' children's paddling pool), and you have to provide
them with corks etc to float in the their water supply otherwise
they're liable to drown.

Having said that I generally keep my eyes open for honey bees wherever
I am, and don't remember seeing any on the water. They tend to prefer
stagnant -even quite revoltingly so - sources to clean ones, and I
don't think they'd like a nice clean trout stream.

Lazarus

I keep bees myself, Mike, as did my father and grandfather, and I try
to keep up with the research. There's amazingly little known about
exactly where bees mate - drones tend to hover in groups quite high up,
and they're not easy to research, especially when the Queen only mates
once. Bees are very unpredictable beasties.

I'd say there certainly isn't enough known to say that they 'never'
mate in a particular sort of place.

I don't see why it should only be drones that are taken. Workers only
have a life outside the hive of three or four weeks, and they generally
just collapse from exhaustion somewhere in the field. Bees need water
(it's important to give them a source,otherwise they may decide to use
your neighbours' children's paddling pool), and you have to provide
them with corks etc to float in the their water supply otherwise
they're liable to drown.

Having said that I generally keep my eyes open for honey bees wherever
I am, and don't remember seeing any on the water while I was fishing.
They tend to prefer stagnant -even quite revoltingly so - sources to
clean ones, and I don't think they'd like a nice clean trout stream.

Lazarus

rw wrote:


I've found bees in trout stomachs several times. Often as not, they're
really seriously stinging wasps -- yellow jackets. One more datum point
that says fish don't feel pain.


i believe trout will eat anything that appears bug-like on/in the
water... bees, roaches, praying mantis... except, those funky water
spider things...they don't seem to like them.

vincent p. norris wrote:

I've found bees in trout stomachs several times. Often as not, they're
really seriously stinging wasps -- yellow jackets. One more datum point
that says fish don't feel pain.


Is it possible the fish chomp down on the bees. wasps, hornets, etc.,
to render them unable to sting?

Several of my dogs have quickly learned, after getting stung once, to
snap at them there bugs in such a way as to avoid getting stung.

Are my Brittanys smarter than the average trout? I don't know, but I
have a lot more luck getting them to do my bidding that I have with
the trout.

vince (who know people who eat rattlesnakes but don't get bitten in
the process.)

my friend and dog, sadie, loves flying bugs, especially bees. she will
sit in one spot for hours if honeybees are buzzing nearby and takes joy
in snapping them out of the air, quickly spitting them out. she was
stung once...made her muzzle swell.

what the hell is that bit of learned behavior all about?

jeff

Bees don't mate in the back seat of a 57 Chevy ?
Now something new to think about
"lazarus cooke" wrote in message
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I keep bees myself, Mike, as did my father and grandfather, and I try
to keep up with the research. There's amazingly little known about
exactly where bees mate - drones tend to hover in groups quite high up,
and they're not easy to research, especially when the Queen only mates
once. Bees are very unpredictable beasties.

I'd say there certainly isn't enough known to say that they 'never'
mate in a particular sort of place.

I don't see why it should only be drones that are taken. Workers only
have a life outside the hive of three or four weeks, and they generally
just collapse from exhaustion somewhere in the field. Bees need water
(it's important to give them a source,otherwise they may decide to use
your neighbours' children's paddling pool), and you have to provide
them with corks etc to float in the their water supply otherwise
they're liable to drown.

Having said that I generally keep my eyes open for honey bees wherever
I am, and don't remember seeing any on the water while I was fishing.
They tend to prefer stagnant -even quite revoltingly so - sources to
clean ones, and I don't think they'd like a nice clean trout stream.

Lazarus

"lazarus cooke" wrote in message
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...I don't see why it should only be drones that are taken....

Drones was my suggestion. It wasn't meant to imply exclusivity. Merely a
passing thought on a possible scenario that might account for fish bellies
occasionally being full of bees.

Wolfgang