Sportsmanship?

"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
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On problem Rich is it must not have been against the rules. With the
other incident it was a judgment call by B.A.S.S officials.

As for swearing, What about Jim Bitter???????

Chris

It is against Florida law though and that makes it against the rules
according to BASS. Joe Z.

Joe,

That makes me wonder why B.A.S.S wouldn't have called him on that as
well??? They took their time reviewing the tapes on Day 1, why wouldn't
they do the same on day 2?

Oh well, we could argue about this, but just as everyone I have formed
my opinions based on how I have watched B.A.S.S change, and would never
push those opinions on anyone, just throwing them out for the sake of
argument.

Take care

Chris

Joe Z wrote:
"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
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On problem Rich is it must not have been against the rules. With the
other incident it was a judgment call by B.A.S.S officials.

As for swearing, What about Jim Bitter???????

Chris

It is against Florida law though and that makes it against the rules
according to BASS. Joe Z.

"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
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Joe,

That makes me wonder why B.A.S.S wouldn't have called him on that as
well??? They took their time reviewing the tapes on Day 1, why wouldn't
they do the same on day 2?

Oh well, we could argue about this, but just as everyone I have formed
my opinions based on how I have watched B.A.S.S change, and would never
push those opinions on anyone, just throwing them out for the sake of
argument.

Take care

Chris


I agree Chris, BASS is a shadow of it's former self. 64 degrees here on
Tuesday. I may have to slum and go walleye fishing on the river. March,
April and part of May you can basically bass fish for them. Casting jig and
twister tail to the banks and swimming it or dragging and dead sticking. Joe
Z.

From BASSFAN.com
Weldon was clear the DQ did not stem from Iaconelli possibly culling a dead
fish, which is a violation of Florida fishing regulations and is thus a
violation of BASS rules, which require that anglers obey all local and state
laws. Weldon said, "I was not there, and if that fish moves one time, you
can release it. I was not there, so I don't know." JZ

Chris, et al:
I respectfully disagree with your opinion on Ike's
diqualification. I think BASS did the right thing. His attitude was too
far over the top and he's going to be lucky if he's not brought up on
federal charges for desicration of the American flag (It was attached
to the light pole that he destroyed and threw in the lake). This is the
CLASSIC and Ike is a PROFESSIONAL, act like one. It was his mistake and
he needs to learn a leason from it. My 7 year old son was watching this
display and he told me that he gets in trouble for acting like that,
why isn't Ike? I loved Denny Brauers comments..........
On the other hand, I do agree that ESPN has screwed up BASS. I have
fished the BASS Opens and FLW Everstart tournaments and FLW is by far a
classier outfit.
My opinion, milage may
vary.
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com
~~
Chris Rennert wrote:
This won't be a long post, I just want to comment on how pathetic
B.A.S.S has become. For some reason now they enforce some
"Sportsmanship" rules! What about Swindell driving up in his boat and
yelling at someone that he thinks is on a spot he found?????? How is
that any better than what Iaconnelli did yesterday? This is why my
dream of fishing professionally for B.A.S.S is gone. It isn't even the
same as it was 3 years ago. Since ESPN bought it, it has gone even
further down hill than when Scott sold it. I didn't think so at first,
I thought big money would finally put this sport into the highlight, and
it did that, but in a Soap Opera kind of way. Iaconnelli is the bad
guy, Swindell is the funny guy, Brauer is the old guy, Van Dam is the
Wiz kid, Martens the almost guy, and then Clunn the mystic.

Screw B.A.S.S , screw everything about them. If you want to break sh*t
on your boat, go ahead, who cares, it is emotion. 2 fish died in his
livewell. They reviewed tapes, and because of all the negative
publicity Iaconnelli gets, and they (ESPN/B.A.S.S) of course facilitate
and push. If KVD kicked his trolling motor off his boat (don't get me
wrong I love KVD) , being defending champ, they would definitely not
have disqualified him. Iaconnelli is marked, and I guarantee they spin
this even more negatively about him! I hope he comes out and catches
50lbs today and shoves it up their.........explitive deleted.

I am so mad right now, it hurts to see a dream turn into a complete
joke. Good thing there is competition out there all is not lost. All
the media outlets are the same, ESPN didn't have to go this direction,
but it is what sells to the masses. Oh well, I am going to go catch
some steelhead!

Chris

Jack,

My thought is, emotions are different between different people. Jack,
when your child asked that question about getting in trouble for acting
like that, you were right there to express your feelings towards your
child, and I guarantee your child looks up to you more than anyone else
in this world. Therefore you gave him a life experience and expressed
how you would have handled it without your child ever having to step
into a situation like that.

Everyone seems to agree everything is on the line in these tournaments,
and you can feel everything slipping away in an instance you have the
right to get emotional. No, I would not have reacted the same way, but
who am I to say what is the right way to act. B.A.S.S doesn't give
these guys a paycheck, on the flip side, these guys don't have to fish
B.A.S.S tournaments, the big problem I have with it , it is a gray area
"sportsmanship", and I don't feel they are consistent. Preston clark
lost a fish and said , and I quote..."Dammit!,....damn!". Harmless if
you ask me, but it wasn't even beeped out. Or Jim Bitter sitting there
, and every other word out of his mouth has to be beeped out , yet he
wasn't disqualified, matter of fact they went back to that tape in order
to show everyone his melt down!(different tourney) B.A.S.S puts Ike on
Camera in hopes he has a melt down, then when he does, they take every
chance to grill him. It doesn't matter if people like him or not,
B.A.S.S is now spun just like every other media outlet, instead of just
showing it how it is.

Chris

wrote:
Chris, et al:
I respectfully disagree with your opinion on Ike's
diqualification. I think BASS did the right thing. His attitude was too
far over the top and he's going to be lucky if he's not brought up on
federal charges for desicration of the American flag (It was attached
to the light pole that he destroyed and threw in the lake). This is the
CLASSIC and Ike is a PROFESSIONAL, act like one. It was his mistake and
he needs to learn a leason from it. My 7 year old son was watching this
display and he told me that he gets in trouble for acting like that,
why isn't Ike? I loved Denny Brauers comments..........
On the other hand, I do agree that ESPN has screwed up BASS. I have
fished the BASS Opens and FLW Everstart tournaments and FLW is by far a
classier outfit.
My opinion, milage may
vary.
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com
~~
Chris Rennert wrote:
This won't be a long post, I just want to comment on how pathetic
B.A.S.S has become. For some reason now they enforce some
"Sportsmanship" rules! What about Swindell driving up in his boat and
yelling at someone that he thinks is on a spot he found?????? How is
that any better than what Iaconnelli did yesterday? This is why my
dream of fishing professionally for B.A.S.S is gone. It isn't even the
same as it was 3 years ago. Since ESPN bought it, it has gone even
further down hill than when Scott sold it. I didn't think so at first,
I thought big money would finally put this sport into the highlight, and
it did that, but in a Soap Opera kind of way. Iaconnelli is the bad
guy, Swindell is the funny guy, Brauer is the old guy, Van Dam is the
Wiz kid, Martens the almost guy, and then Clunn the mystic.

Screw B.A.S.S , screw everything about them. If you want to break sh*t
on your boat, go ahead, who cares, it is emotion. 2 fish died in his
livewell. They reviewed tapes, and because of all the negative
publicity Iaconnelli gets, and they (ESPN/B.A.S.S) of course facilitate
and push. If KVD kicked his trolling motor off his boat (don't get me
wrong I love KVD) , being defending champ, they would definitely not
have disqualified him. Iaconnelli is marked, and I guarantee they spin
this even more negatively about him! I hope he comes out and catches
50lbs today and shoves it up their.........explitive deleted.

I am so mad right now, it hurts to see a dream turn into a complete
joke. Good thing there is competition out there all is not lost. All
the media outlets are the same, ESPN didn't have to go this direction,
but it is what sells to the masses. Oh well, I am going to go catch
some steelhead!

Chris

Chris,
I agree, different people react emotionally different. But, Ike's
been there. I'm sure that wasn't the first time he's killed his catch
and Ike's problem is (in my eyes), he is ALWAY'S drawing attention to
himself. Ever see the Classic Patterns with him? He catches a 3 lb bass
and screams and yells about it being a giant. I think it get old....I
like Ike, but I don't particularly care for all the WWE type hype that
he brings. He's been disqualified TWICE in the Classic, that's a record
that he should be ashamed of. Swearing, while not the best emotional
release, is, in MY EYES, not nearly as bad as the temper tantrum that
Ike threw. Swearing is a very spontaneous release. Busting up equipment
is just bad judgment.
I also agree that the camera's are there just waiting for this type
of stuff and that should keep you on your toes too. I have walked in
Ike's shoes. Last year, on day one of the Everstart in Cleveland we had
30 mph winds and waves that ran 8-10ft. I ran 50 miles in that (it took
3 hours), fished for 1hr &20 minutes and ran 3 hours back to the ramp.
On the way back, my livewell drain broke in the rough water killing my
entire catch. Before the 2 1/2 lb penalty, I had 17 lbs and was in 4th
place, after I had 14 1/2 lbs, dropping to 8th. I was very concerned
that those dead fish would cost me a trip to the finals, but I learned
my lesson and realized that it was my fault and moved on.
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com
~~

I agree Jack, except one disqualification was cut and dry, and a clear
violation of a rule, and he didn't dispute it. This most recent was a
judgment call by B.A.S.S, and therefore to me inconsistent with previous
tournaments, and really that is where my problem lies. In all honesty I
have heard a couple of different stories about why he was disqualified,
was it the tantrum and "destroying safety equipment", or was it the
swearing? Regardless, I along with you would have handled it
differently, but I don't think his actions warranted a disqualification
unless everyone is subject to the same penalties, which I don't believe
they are from my observations.

And to answer your post about "A Joke", I also was hoping we were not
arguing :-). This could really get deep, but where I am standing, I
think there is a fine line between individualism and societal
professionalism. I originally couldn't stand Iaconnelli, all the antics
and carrying on, but man, the guy catches fish, everywhere, and
anywhere, and that to me is what I look to him for. I don't care if he
has a mullet and can break dance. I don't care if Takahiro Omori is
japanese, or that Rick Clunn sleeps in a tent. They all catch fish and
that is all that really matters. It goes past entertainment value when
you have a personal stake in it, such as you, me, and everyone else in
this group. But are we giving these anglers, and that is all they are
is anglers too much credit. This pedestal that society puts "people
better than ordinary" on? The difference is , some people say I want to
be him ( I think that is the wrong approach), and some people say I want
to be where he is (the goal oriented). I think KVD always pictured
himself at the top holding the trophy, he didn't want to be anyone but
himself and knock the king off the mountain.

The biggest problem again being the facilitation and condemnation of
these antics by the same organization at the same exact time. It is
spin and unimportant to the actual final result. If it was so
detrimental then why show it. Why always show our friends dying to road
side bombs and then say nothing of the buildings being erected to
promote growth. It may seem like separate instances, but they are the
same, because it is spin based on ratings, and money rather than the
best angler, and therefore controversy sells, and that is what they
produced, not because it was any worse than anything else that has
happened in tournaments, but because they created a character, and mold
that character in the 10 seconds they are on film to what they want them
to be. So, in 10 seconds, somehow people can put someone on trial and
convict them based on that scene. Doesn't make any sense to me. If it
wasn't Ike, and nobody has to believe this, it wouldn't have even been
an issue, that I am pretty confident about.

If I move to the hills of Montana, please don't tell the FBI :-)

Chris
wrote:
Chris,
I agree, different people react emotionally different. But, Ike's
been there. I'm sure that wasn't the first time he's killed his catch
and Ike's problem is (in my eyes), he is ALWAY'S drawing attention to
himself. Ever see the Classic Patterns with him? He catches a 3 lb bass
and screams and yells about it being a giant. I think it get old....I
like Ike, but I don't particularly care for all the WWE type hype that
he brings. He's been disqualified TWICE in the Classic, that's a record
that he should be ashamed of. Swearing, while not the best emotional
release, is, in MY EYES, not nearly as bad as the temper tantrum that
Ike threw. Swearing is a very spontaneous release. Busting up equipment
is just bad judgment.
I also agree that the camera's are there just waiting for this type
of stuff and that should keep you on your toes too. I have walked in
Ike's shoes. Last year, on day one of the Everstart in Cleveland we had
30 mph winds and waves that ran 8-10ft. I ran 50 miles in that (it took
3 hours), fished for 1hr &20 minutes and ran 3 hours back to the ramp.
On the way back, my livewell drain broke in the rough water killing my
entire catch. Before the 2 1/2 lb penalty, I had 17 lbs and was in 4th
place, after I had 14 1/2 lbs, dropping to 8th. I was very concerned
that those dead fish would cost me a trip to the finals, but I learned
my lesson and realized that it was my fault and moved on.
Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
www.jdbass.com
~~

I think what Mike did was totally unfit for television, thefore it
should have been edited out and the problem solved between B.A.S.S ,
ESPN and Mike.

"ninety percent of the bass that are caught, are caught by 10 percent of
the anglers"

I still think right or wrong, If your on TV fishing for a living, don't do
anything that might get you DQ'd. Be as loud and emotional as you want when
you win, nothing would irk B.a.s.s more

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"BIG FISH 2006" wrote in message
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I think what Mike did was totally unfit for television, thefore it
should have been edited out and the problem solved between B.A.S.S ,
ESPN and Mike.

"ninety percent of the bass that are caught, are caught by 10 percent of
the anglers"