What to tie?

Scott Seidman wrote:
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I've booked a trip to Alaska for the last week of July/ first of
August, we are going to be staying at Big Dave's Alaskan Bush Lodge,
near the confluence of Lake Creek and the Yentna River (about 55 miles
northwest of Anchorage). The place is supposed to be good for Rainbow,
Pike, and all five species of Pacific Salmon. The outfitter says he
will supply all of the flies we need so don't worry about 'em, but I
kinda prefer to fish with what I tied myself. Anybody have a
suggestion of what patterns and sizes I should start tying?




If you plan to tie what the outfitter will provide, you might consider
tying up some pegged beads.

Great for char and rainbows. Won't work for salmon.

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rw wrote in news:4490187e$0$18507
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Great for char and rainbows. Won't work for salmon.


I guess salmon have far too much dignity to be caught with such a rig.

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rw wrote in news:4490187e$0$18507
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Great for char and rainbows. Won't work for salmon.



I guess salmon have far too much dignity to be caught with such a rig.



No, the Salmon hit attractor flies and to catch the Rainbows and Char,
you match the "hatch". For the Rainbows and Char, the "hatch" in Alaska
is Salmon. Alevin and fry early in the season, eggs as soon as the first
Salmon make their way onto the beds, then Salmon flesh and more eggs
later in the season as the Salmon have died.

Willi

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rw wrote in news:4490187e$0$18507
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Great for char and rainbows. Won't work for salmon.



I guess salmon have far too much dignity to be caught with such a rig.

You seem to ooze contempt.

I don't see any moral difference between using a pegged bead and a
conventional egg pattern (or for that matter any artificial lure).
Either would work for char and rainbows feeding on salmon eggs. The
whole point is to fool the fish with a realistic imitation, and beads
are very realistic. Last year in Alaska Willi and I fished a bead above
a conventional egg fly. It was very effective. Sorry if it offends your
sense of moral superiority.

BTW, Alaska fishing regulations require that the bead be no more than 2"
above the hook.

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rw wrote in news:44902088$0$18480
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You seem to ooze contempt.

I don't see any moral difference between using a pegged bead and a
conventional egg pattern (or for that matter any artificial lure).


Everyone makes their choices. I've seen people successfully trout
fishing by running a bit of colored sponge onto a size 12 Eagle Claw
snelled hook. I wouldn't do it. I don't know why I wouldn't do it, and
I don't need to know why, but I wouldn't do it.

So far as pegged beads go, for some reason I have alot of trouble
separating the practice from lining--perhaps because of all the lining I
see on the Ontario Tribs. I know it's quite possible to follow the law
and maintain a reasonable distance between hook and bead, and not "line"
the fish. In Alaska, this legal distance is be 2". I'm fine with this,
but I don't see much of an advantage over just using a blob of hot glue
on the hook itself. When the distance is more than 2", I can't see how
lining can be avoided-- you're just not enticing the fish to mouth the
hook, you're counting on the fish to mouth the bead, and by some magic
the hook ends up in the mouth.

Regardless of the regs, I've spoken with four or five people who's guides
rigged them up with pegged beads much more than 2" from the hook (though
perhaps this was before the 2" reg passed--I've no idea of the history).
I've heard from many more people who booked trips, and were disappointed
to be fishing exclusively with pegged beads, even though they caught
plenty of fish (and salmon among them, if not predominant)-- I think I
would be, too, regardless of regulations and whether the 2" distance were
followed or not. I just would not want to book the fly fishing trip of a
lifetime, and find myself fishing with pegged beads. It would be a sure
indication for me that I didn't do my homework on the guide in advance.
Of course, nobody is forcing you to fish a certain way, but if you can
avoid an awkward situation, its best avoided.

I guess it all comes down to guiding and expectations. If someone is
particular about the methods he uses, and books a trip, that person
should make arrangements in advance with the guide to make sure the guide
and sport see eye to eye well before they find themselves on the stream.


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Scott Seidman wrote:

So far as pegged beads go, for some reason I have alot of trouble
separating the practice from lining--perhaps because of all the lining I
see on the Ontario Tribs. I know it's quite possible to follow the law
and maintain a reasonable distance between hook and bead, and not "line"
the fish. In Alaska, this legal distance is be 2". I'm fine with this,
but I don't see much of an advantage over just using a blob of hot glue
on the hook itself. When the distance is more than 2", I can't see how
lining can be avoided-- you're just not enticing the fish to mouth the
hook, you're counting on the fish to mouth the bead, and by some magic
the hook ends up in the mouth.

From what I read, it seems that people that live in the Great Lakes
region have the biggest trouble with this "lining" as you call it. I'm
guessing that's because people are snagging fish there.

I can understand a problem with using beads - what's a fly, etc. - but
IMO, they're better for the fish if you're going to catch and release
than fishing a glowbug or a similar fly. In my experience, it is common
for a trout to take a traditional egg pattern deep. With the beads, the
fish hits the bead and you "snag" them in the corner of the mouth, never
a deeply hooked fish.


Willi

Scott Seidman wrote:
rw wrote in news:44902088$0$18480
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You seem to ooze contempt.

I don't see any moral difference between using a pegged bead and a
conventional egg pattern (or for that matter any artificial lure).



Everyone makes their choices. I've seen people successfully trout
fishing by running a bit of colored sponge onto a size 12 Eagle Claw
snelled hook. I wouldn't do it. I don't know why I wouldn't do it, and
I don't need to know why, but I wouldn't do it.

Eggs (both beads and conventional) are so effective for char and
rainbows feeding among spawning salmon in Alaska that it soon becomes
boring, but it's still quite an experience.

If your guide doesn't want you to fish the way you want to fish, then
screw him.

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rw wrote in news:44902b88$0$18517
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If your guide doesn't want you to fish the way you want to fish, then
screw him.


Agreed, but it can get awkward. Better to prevent the situation in the
first place.

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