Which comes first?

Tom Nakashima typed:
"Tim J." wrote in message
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Tom Nakashima typed:

Okay. . . I'm with you so far . . .
Some even have cigars dangling from their mouths as they forcefully
wade through the water to get to their spot only to blind cast.

Nope. . . I lost you on this one. Do the cigars have something to do
with the sloppiness of the approach?

I don't do cigars because I believe it was our 42nd President who
said; "Cigars are for pussys!"
On a serious note, it's not so much the downwind smoke,

.. . . I smell San Fran bicycle-nut smoking nazi . . .

but tying your
fly to the tippet after touching the stogie. Fish have a keen sense
of smell.

It's probably just crappy fishing technique, but I've never caught more or
less fish after the cigar. Well, maybe less fish, but there's not much doubt
in my mind that I can't blame that on the cigar.
--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj

On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:18:42 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:


"Tim J." wrote in message
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Tom Nakashima typed:

Okay. . . I'm with you so far . . .
Some even have cigars dangling from their mouths as they forcefully wade
through the water to get to their spot only to blind cast.

Nope. . . I lost you on this one. Do the cigars have something to do with
the sloppiness of the approach?

I don't do cigars because I believe it was our 42nd President who said;
"Cigars are for pussys!"
On a serious note, it's not so much the downwind smoke, but tying your
fly to the tippet after touching the stogie. Fish have a keen sense of
smell.
It was Dave Whitlock who taught me to pick up a rock from the river
and rub the fly in the moss to kill the scent from your hands before making
a presentation to the fish. What this does is actually pick up a natural
scent from the river. Dave does this everytime he fishes. Even hand tied
flies have an odor to them from just the materials used as he put it.

Did he tell you what he rubs his worms on?

HTH,
R
fwiw,
-tom

Tim J. wrote:
Tom Nakashima typed:
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I fish a little different from most of my friends. They seem to enjoy
rushing to wader-up, jump right into the water


Okay. . . I'm with you so far . . .

Some even have cigars dangling from their mouths as they forcefully wade
through the water to get to their spot only to blind cast.


Nope. . . I lost you on this one. Do the cigars have something to do with
the sloppiness of the approach?


I like to scout the area first, look for prime fishing areas, and
watch for fish on the rise, even before I get my waders on. I would also
observe the hatch, or surrounding flies that I think fish are hitting on.


Okay, we're back on track, but I like a good cigar in my mouth while doing
so. ;-)

Ah, so you are that Tim J. who posts to that stinky cigar group. ;-)

brians

briansfly typed:
Tim J. wrote:
Tom Nakashima typed:
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I fish a little different from most of my friends. They seem to
enjoy rushing to wader-up, jump right into the water

Okay. . . I'm with you so far . . .

Some even have cigars dangling from their mouths as they forcefully
wade through the water to get to their spot only to blind cast.

Nope. . . I lost you on this one. Do the cigars have something to do
with the sloppiness of the approach?

I like to scout the area first, look for prime fishing areas, and
watch for fish on the rise, even before I get my waders on. I
would also observe the hatch, or surrounding flies that I think
fish are hitting on.

Okay, we're back on track, but I like a good cigar in my mouth while
doing so. ;-)

Ah, so you are that Tim J. who posts to that stinky cigar group. ;-)

Hey, aren't you that brians who reads that stinky cigar group?
What gave it away? The same identical sig in both groups?
--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj

"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message news:es9fdk$cj0
Don't get me wrong, I not one who catches fish every time I go out, I
really have to work at it, but I try to give myself the best opportunity
to catch a fish.

Like Tim, I'm in agreement with you all the way, except that I do enjoy a
good cigar from time to time. As for the approach (and I'm anything but a
great fisherman), I am usually very patient and stealthy as you descibe.
(and for that I owe a debt of gratitude to Mr. Miller's company on Wilson's
Creek a while back.) Not only to scout out the river, but also because all
of the aspects of the experience are as valuable as the actual fishing. I'm
not there to catch fish, and I'm in no hurry to do so. I'm there to go
fishing, and the streamside observations and approach are part of that; to
be enjoyed, not rushed through. And frankly, if the trout don't like the
smell of a good Montecristo, it doesn't lessen my enjoyment of either.

Joe F.

"rb608" wrote in message
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"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message news:es9fdk$cj0
Don't get me wrong, I not one who catches fish every time I go out, I
really have to work at it, but I try to give myself the best opportunity
to catch a fish.

Like Tim, I'm in agreement with you all the way, except that I do enjoy a
good cigar from time to time. As for the approach (and I'm anything but a
great fisherman),

As one of my friends at the casting pond says, "We're always learning."
And enjoying the sport as well.

I am usually very patient and stealthy as you descibe.

Yes, I'm a firm believer that patients is the key in fly-fishing.

(and for that I owe a debt of gratitude to Mr. Miller's company on
Wilson's Creek a while back.) Not only to scout out the river, but also
because all of the aspects of the experience are as valuable as the actual
fishing. I'm not there to catch fish, and I'm in no hurry to do so. I'm
there to go fishing, and the streamside observations and approach are part
of that; to be enjoyed, not rushed through. And frankly, if the trout
don't like the smell of a good Montecristo, it doesn't lessen my enjoyment
of either.
Joe F.

I have a friend who really gets ****ed when he doesn't catch fish. Sort of
ruins the whole trip if he's dwelling on it the whole time. Me, I could care
less, I'm still going to eat good. I don't mind how my friends fish, or what
they smoke, or how many fish they catch, or how big the fish is. I sort of
do my own thing and enjoy the sport.

I just met another angler at the Pleasanton show last week, found out we
live near by. We're going to hook up on the Yuba river next week if it isn't
blown out.
fwiw,
-tom

"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
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Yes, I'm a firm believer that patients is the key in fly-fishing.
snip

I thought that you worked in high tech. That statement would make more sense
if you were a Dr.or dentist. 8)

Bob Weinberger - Snowed in in La Grande, OR and bored to the point of nit
picking spelling & math errors in posts.

Tom Nakashima wrote:



Yes, I'm a firm believer that patients is the key in fly-fishing.



damn...must be all that cigar smoke? g

rb608 typed:
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I'm there to go fishing,
and the streamside observations and approach are part of that; to be
enjoyed, not rushed through. And frankly, if the trout don't like
the smell of a good Montecristo, it doesn't lessen my enjoyment of
either.

You da man, Joe. Pick up a Hoyo de Monterey Dark Sumatra - the bigger, the
better. You won't be disappointed, and you'll have enough left in your
pocket to buy that club for clubbing the water as you dash into the river
just upstream from Jeff. And if upstream just happens to be upwind, all the
better. ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Tim J. wrote:

rb608 typed:
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I'm there to go fishing,
and the streamside observations and approach are part of that; to be
enjoyed, not rushed through. And frankly, if the trout don't like
the smell of a good Montecristo, it doesn't lessen my enjoyment of
either.


You da man, Joe. Pick up a Hoyo de Monterey Dark Sumatra - the bigger, the
better. You won't be disappointed, and you'll have enough left in your
pocket to buy that club for clubbing the water as you dash into the river
just upstream from Jeff. And if upstream just happens to be upwind, all the
better. ;-)

joe can club and smoke upstream and upwind of me anyday...i've got just
the spot. pleasant stroll for him down to the stream from hooper
bald...i'll begin above the junction and we'll meet at middle falls.
better bring a pocket full of smokes joe.

jeff