Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.

There are three different lodges that I can think of, one of them even
more
expensive than Miekak and the other at the same cost level.
I put this post in to find out what opinions people might have about this
years clave. In the end I have to decide one destination and I'm not
likely
to satisfy each and everyones wish.
I'm constantly looking at options but have yet to find a new #4 category
of
choice.
It's early yet.......

/Roger




Roger,
How about a fly-in to Kaitum with tents? Or the C&R stretch on Malån? This
is down in the forest again but?

Vaughan

Hmmmmm.........
You guys have a positive approach to almost all my suggestions, which of
course is helping me none ;-(
We'll see, once we get some more responses, if there's anything in there
to
help with the decision.

/Roger


OK, how about this. Only 5 star fishing lodges employing only female
guides - none over 25 or under 5'10". And only those who can cast a minimum
of 20m into the wind with a 2 wt need consider attending. Does that help
limit the field a bit? Of course, I am disqualified on all the criteria, but
anything to be helpful............:-)

Vaughan

Roger Ohlund wrote:

Hmmmmm.........
You guys have a positive approach to almost all my suggestions, which of
course is helping me none ;-(
We'll see, once we get some more responses, if there's anything in there to
help with the decision.

/Roger



Let me make it a tad easier for you then.. Since cost and comfort are an
issue for me, I'd go for option 3.
Chances are I'll be decorating and painting my new house by then, but if
there's any way I can make it I will be there.

--
Herman

"Vaughan Hurry" wrote in message
...

Roger,
How about a fly-in to Kaitum with tents? Or the C&R stretch on Malån? This
is down in the forest again but?

Vaughan


If we look at the fly in option and consider using tents as a means to cut
prices,
- Why go any place near a camp?

I know that three of my friends will probably be attending, all have
excellent tents which means that 4 more people wouldn't have to consider
bringing tents, so this would make an interesting option.

I noticed that you had an eye on the intersection of Ghorvvejokk, Ittejohka
and Tavvaeatnu. I've been there and fished for a week. Excellent grayling
water with Arctic char in the lakes, also some trout.

I'm leaning towards the Saxnas alternative, not because I feel it's the best
place, but because it is by far the easiest to reach and cheapest
alternative.

However, I'd relly like for this event to become something special. To
consider all the water far north and high up the mountains as an
alternative, and the fact that if people travel far it might become the trip
of their lifetime, is quite fascinating.

/Roger

"Herman Nijland" wrote in message
...

Let me make it a tad easier for you then.. Since cost and comfort are an
issue for me, I'd go for option 3.
Chances are I'll be decorating and painting my new house by then, but if
there's any way I can make it I will be there.


Consider the fact that you'll be doing a much nicer job at painting and
decorating if you go fishing for a week before.
I can see how cost can be an issue but what kind of comfort issue are we
talking here?

/Roger

I noticed that you had an eye on the intersection of Ghorvvejokk,
Ittejohka
and Tavvaeatnu. I've been there and fished for a week. Excellent grayling
water with Arctic char in the lakes, also some trout.


Yes, that was one of the areas that immediately came to mind and I am very
keen to try it. I have two tents so could loan someone my 1-man tent.


I'm leaning towards the Saxnas alternative, not because I feel it's the
best
place, but because it is by far the easiest to reach and cheapest
alternative.

This is also good - but if possible the fly-in would be my favoured option.

Vaughan

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:35:49 +0100, "Roger Ohlund"
wrote:

I'm leaning towards the Saxnas alternative, not because I feel it's the best
place, but because it is by far the easiest to reach and cheapest
alternative.

I'd really like to try and make it over next year but I can't commit
just yet, so don't let my preferences carry too much weight.

I should be home from the western US clave and any post clave side
trips by the beginning of August, so the timing is good for me. I
wouldn't mind sleeping in a tent, but would rather not have to bring
too much camping gear. Cheaper is probably better for me, too.
--
Charlie...

riverman What about a trip into Suomi?

The place you're talking about (river near Tulppio) is probably
Nuorttijoki. I haven't been there myself, but my friends told me that
it is a very beautiful river, and quite unlike most other Finnish
rivers in Lapland (in terms of vegetation, at least).

I was visiting a river a bit north of Nuorttijoki last June
(Suomujoki). A gorgeous river, but seemed to have surprisingly few
fish. (I was mostly hiking, but wet the line a couple of times, with
no effect.) As with Nuorttijoki, a hiking trail follows the river, and
there's quite a bit of fishing pressure. Of course there is a chance
to catch a *really* big trout (swimming up the river from Russia), but
otherwise I wouldn't really call fishing over there good. At least
when compared with what I've experienced in Sweden.

No offense to my home country, but unfortunately I think that there is
a reason why so many Finns go fishing to Sweden, but relatively few
Swedes come to Finland. That is at least my impression, I'd like to
hear Osmo's opinion on this. For some reason, the Swedes just have it
better. I'm not sure if it's just a geographical thing (number of
lakes and rivers), or what else affects it. I'm not saying that there
are no good rivers, but still...

On the other hand, if we want to do it someday, a salmon / grayling
clave in August in river Teno would probably provide world class
fishing. For some photos of this "stream", see the links with word
"Teno" on this page:

http://www.perhokalastajat.org/kalapaikat.htm

--
Jarmo Hurri

Spam countermeasures included. Drop your brain when replying, or just
use .

Hej Roger
Salivating already... Of course I am interested I principle.

Option #1
Where is the sand ridge country? Give me some clues so that I can try and
locate it on the map? What river would we fish?
However you know my views about staying in tents. I would prefer an isolated
camp with cabins in case it rains hard.

#2 Miekak:would love to go there although I am told it means a lot of
walking to get to the fishing. And these chars I am longing for. Maybe not
the best value for money and I have also heard comments that there is a lot
more fishing waters in Tjuonajokk. Obviously not for the same species.

#3 all in all: I wanted to go there anyway: my preferred option but I would
strongly suggest for part of the week we take the wilderness package and the
chopper that flies us to virgin waters for a couple of days.

So for me Kulstjongarden it is!
Sorry to stir trouble, Roger, you have obviously dismissed the idea of some
heli fishing from Ammarnas?

Best Regards
Jerome

Roger Ohlund wrote in message
...
I must be mad.......
Or it might be the fact that we had a good time this year.

Here goes:
I'm starting to plan for another clave in Swedish Lapland and after some
discussions with Vaughan and Jarmo plus some indications from Myron I have
come up with three alternatives.

#1. We try for a place as remote as possible. We're talking helicopter, as
the only other option would be to walk for two - three days. Usually this
would mean a cost of about US$ 300 per person and the need for tents ( +
expenses for food and permits ). This would either be the sand ridge
country
(so far north that the Arctic Circle is way distant in the south), or the
upper reaches of river Laisan.

#2. We fly in and live at one of the most remote fishing camps in Sweden,
also way north of the Arctic Circle. The price would then amount to about
US$ 585 per person ( + expenses for food and permits ). This alternative
is
the Miekak fishing camp.

#3. We fish an area famous for its excellent fishing and reachable by car.
There are 5 different creeks in the area. Cost? Well, fishing permits of
course and if you feel like living at a mountain resort that can be fixed
but will cost some, whilst tents are more or less free (if you own one).
Also cost for food. This alternative is the area around Saxnas village in
the municipality of Vilhelmina.

All three destinations hold trout fishing and destinations #2 - #3 also
hold
Arctic Char (and #1 if we aim for the sand ridge country).
A week's permit is around US$ 30 for most destinations.

The preferred time for this clave would be the beginning of August.

It's early yet and I thought to ask what interest there might be and in
what
kind of destination. Also, if there is some questions from the interested
I'll
try to answer those.

/ Roger
Daytime engineer
Lifetime flyfisherman
If you feel like it, visit http://biphome.spray.se/angler/ for info on
flyfishing in northern Sweden, Lapland

"Jarmo Hurri" wrote in message ...

riverman What about a trip into Suomi?

The place you're talking about (river near Tulppio) is probably
Nuorttijoki. I haven't been there myself, but my friends told me that
it is a very beautiful river, and quite unlike most other Finnish
rivers in Lapland (in terms of vegetation, at least).

I was visiting a river a bit north of Nuorttijoki last June
(Suomujoki). A gorgeous river, but seemed to have surprisingly few
fish. (I was mostly hiking, but wet the line a couple of times, with
no effect.) As with Nuorttijoki, a hiking trail follows the river, and
there's quite a bit of fishing pressure. Of course there is a chance
to catch a *really* big trout (swimming up the river from Russia), but
otherwise I wouldn't really call fishing over there good. At least
when compared with what I've experienced in Sweden.


Jarmo,

I have never visited Nuorttijoki. But at summer 2002 we made a trip to
Suomujoki. The water was very low at that time (end of June). We were hiking
some 12 km up from Aittajarvi to the cabin of Porttikoski. We caughed small
graylings, some fullfilling the minimum size requirement, and small trout. When
walking backwards we fished some time at Porttikoski. Small trout mostly, but
my son Miikka had a nice trout hooked once. Broken leader and lost fish,
possibly 3 kilos or so.

When we came back to our car, we met two hiking guides, who told us that
we should have walked more further upstream, 15 to 20 km, to have much better
chances to get real fishing experiences.

For the next summer we are planning a trip to Naatamojoki (Nejden in Norway)
up in northeastern Finland. Means walking some 6 km minimum to reach the
river from the road to Sevettijarvi. But may be a good experience! Decent graylings,
big trout and even salmon going up from the sea.

There is also a competing offer for Swedish Clave 2004! I just heard from my friend
that he is arranging a fishing safari to Vodlozero (Vodlajarvi) in Karelia, Russia, next
August. There will be a group of spinner fishermen from Kuopio districkt participating
this trip. I am investigating the chances for flyfishing the rivers around the lake.
There is a national park around this lake, but the fishing is allowed.

Some links:
www.sll.fi/mpe/vodla/VodlaHome.html
http://www.onego.ru/win/vodlozero/

When I get more information, I let you know!

OsmoJ