Peace Treaty?

On 20 Sep, 22:57, mdk77 wrote:
On Sep 20, 3:08 pm, Lazarus Cooke



wrote:
In article .com,

mdk77 wrote:
On Sep 20, 1:30 pm, BJ Conner wrote:
On Sep 20, 11:20 am, mdk77 wrote:

Just an observation and thought from a "new guy" who doesn't know
squat about fly fishing, but loves having a place to learn more from
good people here.

Teh subject line of your post should be "OT" Peace treaty, what a
meathead!

Sorry. I'm still learning message board etiquette. You're right, I
should have posted that with the "OT".

Don't apologize. Whoever told you off is a schmuk. (can't remember or
be bothered to find out who it was - there are dozens of them here).

This newsgroup contains an extraordinary number of deeply damaged,
rather unpleasant people, for some reason. Where I fish, most
fly-fisherpeople are unusually tolerant, and most places I've been in
the world fishers are wise, tolerant and helpful.

Not here, though.

As you've seen, for some reason, Roff (rec.outdoors.fishing.fly) seems
to have attracted an unusual skim of agressive middle-aged men, mostly
american, with chips on their shoulders, who have nothing better to do
than pick meaningless, vicious fights with each other.

I've never met any of them, and I've no desire to.

A few of them do know a few things about fishing, (I can never remember
which ones, to be honest, are republican, and which democrat (in spite
of the title of the group, american politics is the main subject of the
group)), so I've been using it for information for many years.

But I would strongly advise you to avoid this place and talk to some
real fishermen who will be glad to help you.

Lazarus

Thanks. I realize I was trying the "Don Quixote" here by suggesting
folks tone down a bit. You are 100% correct though, with the advice
to talk to local fishermen. I have done that and everyone has been
great & I have learned a lot from them. But I've learned a lot from
folks here on the board too -- if you can wade through the nasty posts
and pick out the good stuff.

As Lazarus pointed out, it is better to refrain from involving oneself
in what might charitably be referred to as the "internal workings" of
this group.

If you can pick up useful information now and again then by all means
do so. But don´t attempt to enter into conversation with any of these
people unless you know them. They will insult and provoke you for
their entertainment.

Even on fishing matters, it is a good idea to take a lot of things
written here with a good pinch of salt.

Anyway, thanks for your thanks, and your attempts at peacekeeping, but
don´t waste any time on it. There is no way to change these people,
that is also why they never learn much about fishing.

TL
MC

mdk77 wrote:
snip
I wondered if it would ever be possible for folks to just "agree to
disagree" more on this board? I know there will be daily
disagreements over stuff. You find that on most every message board.
But it would be neat if folks could keep disagreements from getting so
escalated that it detracts from the great fishing content and advice
here. ...

No, it's not really possible. Any disagreement, no matter how
politely voiced, will always be seen as a "personal attack" by
His Loony Mikeness, and when His Loony Mikeness decides he's
been the target of a personal attack, whether he has or not, he
goes on a psycho posting frenzy. So long as His Loony Mikeness
posts to roff everyone must agree that His Loony Mikeness is the
world's foremost authority on all things fly fishing and any
other opinion is a personal attack against His Loony Mikeness.
It's been this way for years around here. Get used to it.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Sep 20, 1:50 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
mdk77 wrote:
snip
I wondered if it would ever be possible for folks to just "agree to
disagree" more on this board? I know there will be daily
disagreements over stuff. You find that on most every message board.
But it would be neat if folks could keep disagreements from getting so
escalated that it detracts from the great fishing content and advice
here. ...

No, it's not really possible. Any disagreement, no matter how
politely voiced, will always be seen as a "personal attack" by
His Loony Mikeness, and when His Loony Mikeness decides he's
been the target of a personal attack, whether he has or not, he
goes on a psycho posting frenzy. So long as His Loony Mikeness
posts to roff everyone must agree that His Loony Mikeness is the
world's foremost authority on all things fly fishing and any
other opinion is a personal attack against His Loony Mikeness.
It's been this way for years around here. Get used to it.

--
Ken Fortenberry

You're probably right. But I figure it takes two to argue. If one
person disagrees, and states why he disagrees -- and then refuses to
go on-and-on, then the disagreement ends there. Folks can read the
thread (and both opinions) and decide what to do with the
information. Sometimes I just try some of the things suggested. Like
that "shooting head" suggestion (man, I won't even mention ANY names
of who-said-what-to-whom on that thread), but I just tried it out
myself to see what worked for me. It didn't matter to me as far as
who "liked the idea" and who "didn't like the idea"....I figured I'd
just try it myself, and "for me" it worked fine. It was a nice, low-
cost solution to help me fish under certain conditions. But it wasn't
a big deal like "who was smarter" and "who was wrong". Both sides had
great input (when you cut through all of the animosity that went back
and forth).

In the end this forum is best for getting information to fishermen.
Not about who is right or wrong. And hey, we ALL get steamed and blow
our cork on some issues. So I understand there are times, hey, people
are going to argue. It just detracts from the forum here. It
wouldn't hurt any of us to calm down a bit more. Just my 2-cents
worth as a "new guy" on the forum (or kind of new....one year
anniversary here).

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:39:26 -0000, mdk77
wrote:

In the end this forum is best for getting information to fishermen.
Not about who is right or wrong. And hey, we ALL get steamed and blow
our cork on some issues. So I understand there are times, hey, people
are going to argue. It just detracts from the forum here. It
wouldn't hurt any of us to calm down a bit more. Just my 2-cents
worth as a "new guy" on the forum (or kind of new....one year
anniversary here).


Dave, I am a Republican. Most of the folks here are liberal
Democrats. I take and give grief because of this. That is the nature
of ANY group. But we are talking about someone who can not take any
answer but his own. If I or Fortenberry or whomever comes up with a
solution to a question, and it is NOT the same as a certain
pontificating fool, then all hell is going to break lose. You must
know the history of something before you can judge it. We (roff) have
witnessed this behavior dozens of times, and some of roff is tired of
it and has little tolerance for such further actions. There is never
any problem answering fishing questions if Mike Connor is not about.
I will have an opinion because of my experiences, person A will have
another because of his experiences, and person B will have yet another
because of his experiences. We seldom fight about fishing questions -
*except* when Mike Connor is involved because he can not stand it for
someone to have a different solution to a question.

There is not a question you can ask that can not be answered by
someone on roff who has *experienced* it. That is the beauty of this
place, and it gets along quite well without Mr. Connor.

Dave

In article , Dave LaCourse
wrote:



Dave, I am a Republican. Most of the folks here are liberal
Democrats. I take and give grief because of this. That is the nature
of ANY group.

Dave.

Don't you realize that lots of the folks here aren't american, and
don't give a toss whether you're republican or democrat?

Lazarus

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:27:56 +0100, Lazarus Cooke
wrote:

In article , Dave LaCourse
wrote:



Dave, I am a Republican. Most of the folks here are liberal
Democrats. I take and give grief because of this. That is the nature
of ANY group.

Dave.

Don't you realize that lots of the folks here aren't american, and
don't give a toss whether you're republican or democrat?

Lazarus

Uh.... duh.....YES! I was speaking TO an American and was using
politics as an illustration of how some of us do not always get along.
And there is something wrong with that? It is a good illustration of
how we fight amonst ourselves, sometime very hurtfully, but yet we
remain a group of flyfishers who can answer questions and not bicker
amonst ourselves. But, when Connor is involved, it is his way or it
is no way. Read his recent posts advising Dave (the OP) to not listen
to anything anyone has to say on this ng. Surely you know that is a
lie, a falsehood. Yes, we fight and we bicker, but we can answer
questions (especially from an American fishing American waters)
without pontificating pompously about it, with simple answers that
anyone can understand.

If you do not believe that, then why are you here?

Dave



Dave

OP, Dave, I quote the following from Connor:

On 20 Sep, 23:42, "Rick" lanr-at-centurytel.net wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message

ps.com...
On 20 Sep, 22:53, Dave LaCourse wrote: On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:54:46 -0700, Mike
wrote:

Anyway, it is absolutely pointless even exchanging words with you,
because you are a fool, and it is simply wasted effort. You wont learn
anything form anybody, because you don´t want to. You think giving
advice means telling people to do things your way. Not many will do it
Davie boy, because then they would be fools as well.

MC

Then why do you have to continue to exchange? Seems you are the one that
won't let it end

Rick

If you want it to end, then why are you asking me stupid questions,
you brainless abortion.

MC

Unquote

Now, Rich has asked a sensible question without insulting Connor or
calling him names. Connor's reply? An insult and shameless name
calling. Of the two people above, who do you think would be most
reasonable to work with, Rick or Mike?

Connor has a history of doing exactly what you have just read. If you
do not believe me (or the other folks who have also stated it), do a
google groups search on Mike Connor and see for yourself his shameful
attacks on just about everyone on roff. We all used to tolerate him
and considered him a friend. I have sent him a clave hat and
pictures of all the roffians who attended Waldo's Spring Fling clave.
But one by one he has broken off any friendships he has had. One of
the nicest men you will ever meet on roff or any river is Tom
Littleton the perenial clavemeister each spring of Penns Clave. Look
up "nice guy" in the dictionary and there'll be a picture of Tom.
Harmless, likeable, helpful, yet he fell to Connor's hatefilled posts,
calling Tom all kinds of things. The one thing we all laughed at was
his name for Tom, "Dumbo". So, being roffians always looking for a
good time and a good laugh, we made a t-shirt out of it "Who you
calling Dumbo?" with a picture of an elephant. Funny stuff. But,
roff can be a funny place.

Take this latest Connor episode as nothing unusual as far as he in
concerned. He is your friend now. But chances are he will turn on
you like he has just about everyone else on roff. He is a sick man
whose narcissism is becoming psychotic. (And I risk saying that,
knowing he will call the FBI on me.)

Dave

Dave, if you want to see further vintage Connor, follow the
conversation from Rick on this date. Connor continues to be his real
nasty self. This is the connor that we who have been here for ten
years or more know.

Dave

On 20 Sep, 20:50, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
mdk77 wrote:
snip
I wondered if it would ever be possible for folks to just "agree to
disagree" more on this board? I know there will be daily
disagreements over stuff. You find that on most every message board.
But it would be neat if folks could keep disagreements from getting so
escalated that it detracts from the great fishing content and advice
here. ...

No, it's not really possible. Any disagreement, no matter how
politely voiced, will always be seen as a "personal attack" by
His Loony Mikeness, and when His Loony Mikeness decides he's
been the target of a personal attack, whether he has or not, he
goes on a psycho posting frenzy. So long as His Loony Mikeness
posts to roff everyone must agree that His Loony Mikeness is the
world's foremost authority on all things fly fishing and any
other opinion is a personal attack against His Loony Mikeness.
It's been this way for years around here. Get used to it.

--
Ken Fortenberry

More bull**** and lies Kenny boy. Just what you would like everybody
to believe. I don´t think many will.

MC

Mike wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
mdk77 wrote:
snip
I wondered if it would ever be possible for folks to just "agree to
disagree" more on this board? I know there will be daily
disagreements over stuff. You find that on most every message board.
But it would be neat if folks could keep disagreements from getting so
escalated that it detracts from the great fishing content and advice
here. ...
No, it's not really possible. Any disagreement, no matter how
politely voiced, will always be seen as a "personal attack" by
His Loony Mikeness, and when His Loony Mikeness decides he's
been the target of a personal attack, whether he has or not, he
goes on a psycho posting frenzy. So long as His Loony Mikeness
posts to roff everyone must agree that His Loony Mikeness is the
world's foremost authority on all things fly fishing and any
other opinion is a personal attack against His Loony Mikeness.
It's been this way for years around here. Get used to it.

More bull**** and lies Kenny boy. Just what you would like everybody
to believe. I don´t think many will.

No bull****, and of course it's what we all know to be
true. What I like or dislike has nothing to do with it.

--
Ken Fortenberry