When to drive?

"rb608" wrote in message
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I'm trying to decide which is the lesser of the two evils. Joe F.

In my life I have missed out on a lot of things putting my family first.
But I wouldn't hesitate in a second to keep it that way.
-tom

typed:
bOn Wed, 10 Oct 2007 02:47:24 GMT, "rb608"
wrote:

The date for my annual trek to Altmar is approaching; but #1
offspring has managed to royally screw up the planning. Okay, his
college classes on Monday morning are an acceptable reason to push
the trip forward a day, no problem. Lodging reservations were
revised, and all is well.

Then there was this speeding ticket. He got PBJ, but on the
condition he complete a "Driver Improvement Program". So he loses
the notification from the MVA until the only possible way he can
avoid a license suspension is to take the class on the night we're
scheduled to leave. So, instead of making Altmar by midnight, we're
looking at not even leaving until at least 10 p.m. Nuts.

So here's the question. It's a 6-hour drive; interstates all the
way. Would you leave at 10 & arrive dead tired at 4 a.m. & try to
fish on a couple hours sleep (assuming you survive the trip) or get
a few hours sleep here, get up at 0-dark thirty & drive in the
morning, missing a half day of fishing? There's really no good
answer here, I'm trying to decide which is the lesser of the two
evils.

Joe F.

Um, 'tripper seems to be politely saying that which I'll not so
delicately trod...

IOW, he ****ed up, lucked out, ****ed up the luck-out, and now, you're
wondering how to accommodate your schedule around his irresponsible
double-play...OK...I'm curious - how are you planning to rationalize
(with a heavy dose on the "ration") that he's going to learn a
motherflockin' thing from this...? Why not just call wayno and fire
up the checkbook, retainer-wise? You asked for opinions, so here's
mine: He's a college kid who got caught improperly operating a what
amounts to a deadly weapon, not some toddler who spilled his milk.
Leave it to him to figure things out, and if he's not set and legal
to leave when planned, tough **** for him.

Hmmmm, uh, no - not for me, at least. There are plenty of other ways to
teach the lessons, but I think there is more to be gained by taking Son on
the fishing trip. At that age, you never know when the interests and life
will shift, and Joe could miss out on what may be the last fishing trip with
his son - at least for a while. Coming up soon are all the interuptions of
father/son relationships - you know, serious girlfriends, jobs, etc. Take
the time with him while you can, Joe, and whenever you can. I can't recall
someone ever telling me they spent too much time with their children. ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj

"Tim J." wrote in message
...

...I can't recall someone ever telling me they spent too much time with
their children. ;-)

True, true. All the time I've spent with my children here in ROFF has
exacted a heavy toll on my personal life.......but I don't begrudge them a
single moment of it.

Wolfgang
for whom duty is, as it should be for all, a privilege.

On Oct 10, 10:24 am, "Tim J."
wrote:
Take
the time with him while you can, Joe, and whenever you can. I can't recall
someone ever telling me they spent too much time with their children. ;-)


You are correct, of course. I'd as soon not go at all as not take him
along. Being with him is the purpose of the trip; fishing is only the
excuse.

Joe F.

rb608 wrote in
ups.com:

On Oct 10, 10:24 am, "Tim J."
wrote:
Take
the time with him while you can, Joe, and whenever you can. I can't
recall someone ever telling me they spent too much time with their
children. ;-)


You are correct, of course. I'd as soon not go at all as not take him
along. Being with him is the purpose of the trip; fishing is only the
excuse.

Joe F.


Sounds to me like you're more interested in going than he is, but that's
besides the point.

If it was me, and I wanted to entertain both options, I'd be calling
Malinda and making sure she's willing to accommodate the 4AM check-in.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

On Oct 10, 9:09 am, Mike wrote:
thats the least he
can do for the hit your insurance rate is going to take..............

fingers crossed So long as he stays out of traffic court for a year,
there are no insurance ramifications for the PBJ. He paid the fines,
court costs, & course fee out of his own pocket, amounting to about 20
hours at his pay rate. I expect that's a pinch he'll feel. :-)

Joe F.

On Oct 10, 11:52 am, Scott Seidman
wrote:
Sounds to me like you're more interested in going than he is,

Not more interested, just different interested. For me, I've been
doing this for 15+ years; & sometimes the logistics part gets old,
more so now that there are two of us to coordinate. It's still new &
fun for him. Once the reels start singing though, it's all worth it.

If it was me, and I wanted to entertain both options, I'd be calling
Malinda and making sure she's willing to accommodate the 4AM check-in.

My expectation is that I'll arrive at Altmar about the time most
guests will be dragging their asses out of bed in the morning anyway.
Malinda is cool with the late arrival, so long as I don't wake *her*
up. :-)

Joe F.

On Oct 9, 9:47 pm, "rb608" wrote:
The date for my annual trek to Altmar is approaching; but #1 offspring has
managed to royally screw up the planning. Okay, his college classes on
Monday morning are an acceptable reason to push the trip forward a day, no
problem. Lodging reservations were revised, and all is well.

Then there was this speeding ticket. He got PBJ, but on the condition he
complete a "Driver Improvement Program". So he loses the notification from
the MVA until the only possible way he can avoid a license suspension is to
take the class on the night we're scheduled to leave. So, instead of making
Altmar by midnight, we're looking at not even leaving until at least 10 p.m.
Nuts.

So here's the question. It's a 6-hour drive; interstates all the way.
Would you leave at 10 & arrive dead tired at 4 a.m. & try to fish on a
couple hours sleep (assuming you survive the trip) or get a few hours sleep
here, get up at 0-dark thirty & drive in the morning, missing a half day of
fishing? There's really no good answer here, I'm trying to decide which is
the lesser of the two evils.

Joe F.

Get a good night sleep. Drive to fish. Bonk a couple for dinner. Then
quit.

Bone

"Halfordian Golfer" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Oct 9, 9:47 pm, "rb608" wrote:
The date for my annual trek to Altmar is approaching; but #1 offspring
has
managed to royally screw up the planning. Okay, his college classes on
Monday morning are an acceptable reason to push the trip forward a day,
no
problem. Lodging reservations were revised, and all is well.

Then there was this speeding ticket. He got PBJ, but on the condition he
complete a "Driver Improvement Program". So he loses the notification
from
the MVA until the only possible way he can avoid a license suspension is
to
take the class on the night we're scheduled to leave. So, instead of
making
Altmar by midnight, we're looking at not even leaving until at least 10
p.m.
Nuts.

So here's the question. It's a 6-hour drive; interstates all the way.
Would you leave at 10 & arrive dead tired at 4 a.m. & try to fish on a
couple hours sleep (assuming you survive the trip) or get a few hours
sleep
here, get up at 0-dark thirty & drive in the morning, missing a half day
of
fishing? There's really no good answer here, I'm trying to decide which
is
the lesser of the two evils.

Joe F.

Get a good night sleep. Drive to fish. Bonk a couple for dinner. Then
quit.

Moron.

Wolfgang

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:24:36 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:

typed:
bOn Wed, 10 Oct 2007 02:47:24 GMT, "rb608"
wrote:

The date for my annual trek to Altmar is approaching; but #1
offspring has managed to royally screw up the planning. Okay, his
college classes on Monday morning are an acceptable reason to push
the trip forward a day, no problem. Lodging reservations were
revised, and all is well.

Then there was this speeding ticket. He got PBJ, but on the
condition he complete a "Driver Improvement Program". So he loses
the notification from the MVA until the only possible way he can
avoid a license suspension is to take the class on the night we're
scheduled to leave. So, instead of making Altmar by midnight, we're
looking at not even leaving until at least 10 p.m. Nuts.

So here's the question. It's a 6-hour drive; interstates all the
way. Would you leave at 10 & arrive dead tired at 4 a.m. & try to
fish on a couple hours sleep (assuming you survive the trip) or get
a few hours sleep here, get up at 0-dark thirty & drive in the
morning, missing a half day of fishing? There's really no good
answer here, I'm trying to decide which is the lesser of the two
evils.

Joe F.

Um, 'tripper seems to be politely saying that which I'll not so
delicately trod...

IOW, he ****ed up, lucked out, ****ed up the luck-out, and now, you're
wondering how to accommodate your schedule around his irresponsible
double-play...OK...I'm curious - how are you planning to rationalize
(with a heavy dose on the "ration") that he's going to learn a
motherflockin' thing from this...? Why not just call wayno and fire
up the checkbook, retainer-wise? You asked for opinions, so here's
mine: He's a college kid who got caught improperly operating a what
amounts to a deadly weapon, not some toddler who spilled his milk.
Leave it to him to figure things out, and if he's not set and legal
to leave when planned, tough **** for him.

Hmmmm, uh, no - not for me, at least. There are plenty of other ways to
teach the lessons, but I think there is more to be gained by taking Son on
the fishing trip. At that age, you never know when the interests and life
will shift, and Joe could miss out on what may be the last fishing trip with
his son - at least for a while. Coming up soon are all the interuptions of
father/son relationships - you know, serious girlfriends, jobs, etc. Take
the time with him while you can, Joe, and whenever you can. I can't recall
someone ever telling me they spent too much time with their children. ;-)

Ah...the ol' Harry Chapin ration...alization...

Hey, maybe some punishments do "hurt" the parent more than it "hurts"
the child, but it seems that at the end of the day, it's what _helps_
the child that matters...and notice I didn't say he shouldn't be allowed
to go, only that his going (as originally planned) be conditioned on his
straightening out the situation he created...you know, sorta like
responsible adult-type people have to do...

TC,
R