The Greater Hong Kong Fly Shipment...

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:34:05 -0800, wrote:

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:55:10 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:25:44 GMT, wrote:

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:51:29 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:16:01 GMT, wrote:


is in full swing. We have several generous donors but we could always
use more. Riverman has his wish list pretty much going and about half
subsidized...
You can send your flies to riverman , or... you can buy what you
would like to have sent to riverman, he

Or, if you'd really like to help:

www.stjude.org - St. Jude's

or

www.msf.org -- Medecins Sans Frontieres

or

www.somethingthatwillreallyhelp.whatever - Roll Yer Own

you don't need an account to shop, but it does save some time to fill
one out the form. Use the above URL in any event, to get started.

Once you have a basket of flies, proceed to checkout, fill in the info
as needed, it's your basic shopping basket stuff...near the end, a
box will show : "Redeem Coupons"...enter the word - school.

The appropriate discount will be taken at checkout and your order
will be flagged for rivermans endeavor only...all of the orders and
their contents so marked, will be sent to him when he asks for them.

If you would rather just send funds, contact me off list and we will
make arrangements. This option has been popular to date.
You can find my email addy is in the above store...

Harry


Whoa...let's recap...we've got a guy in HK at a school which can afford
to kit out the class at LL Bean (but their teacher can't figure out how
to label those rods and reels...) and whose parents or school or
whomever can afford to fly those kids for a week of FFing in NZ, and
you're already had several generous donors, but yet, you're asking for
more _donations_ for flies for this group?!

If that about sums it up, let me be as clear as possible:

**** YOU, **** YOUR FLY SUBSIDY, AND **** MYRON

Why don't you try and raise a little coin for kids who might be have
sorta wanted to, oh, I don't know, eaten in the last week or had
received what is, for such fortunates, a pocket-change worth of medicine
(you know, about the retail cost of a fly or two...) that might save
their lives...

Again, if that about sums it up, just so we're clear:

**** YOU, **** YOUR FLY SUBSIDY, AND **** MYRON

Any questions?
R
...some kids' "wish list" includes stuff like food...with as few flies
as possible...


doesn't the all that froth and foam make the keyboard slippery?

Not since I've gotten the Mainway Toys' "Bag O' Keyboard"...now, if I
could just find a way to keep the Rosie's-ass-shakin'-induced Martini
barf out of the trackball...

IAC, since my recap stands unquestioned, let me be clear, frothless,
foamless, and amazingly slipperyless:

**** YOU, **** YOUR FLY SUBSIDY, AND **** MYRON

That shouldn't be nearly as hard to understand as flyrod labeling
techniques...or do you have some real deal on multicolored Avery labels
and Sharpies to hawk...

And there you are,
R

Tye me some flies.. mouth... and I will send them to some kids here in
Northern California that learn to fly fish between chemo treatments.
better yet, why don't you volunteer to teach them how to tye flies...
then you'd see some real barf....not your cheap Martini induced wanta
be slime. I mean real, 5-fluorouracil burned barf. And you have the
hair to telling me about kids and pain..**** you I help when I can
and how I can.
you can kiss my ass, or... send some flies...mouth

I don't need to travel to California to help children, but if you
provide me with info on the children's charity of which you speak, I'll
be happy to consider adding it to the list, although I will say that
while I have the utmost sympathy for _any_ child going through _any_
traumatic illness, there is only so much one person can do and I prefer
helping where it's needed most, first. As to helping sick kids, you
have no idea of which you speak, but here's a hint: it might occur to
even a casual reader that someone who has some passion about the whole
subject - you know, foaming and frothing and all - might well have that
passion for a reason.

IAC, even if I liked to hunt sick kids with Dick Cheney and John Kerry,
it still doesn't change the fact that what you are doing is no more than
SPAM and doing it for kids that apparently don't need it. AFAIK, you
didn't instigate it, but you certainly jumped on board, and are now
promoting it. And if your pitch had been for sick children who couldn't
afford gear, you might have had my help, and you would have certainly
had my respect, but I've never seen you mention any such charity - which
is not to say you have not - on ROFF. And your replies thus far make me
all the more certain in saying:

**** YOU, **** YOUR FLY SUBSIDY, AND **** MYRON

And for me, that about does it,
R

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 01:01:51 -0800, Mike
wrote:

On 8 Nov, 09:37, "Bob Weinberger"
wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message

oups.com...
On 8 Nov, 05:51, wrote:

Well Dickie boy, because this is a fly-fishing group, and Myron is a
contributor. Harry has very good flies, and he is helping a worthwhile
project. I don´t think he deals in medicine or food packages.

With all your money and clout you could do all those things yourself
couldn´t you? Maybe even send some hot sauce to Africa or something?

What´s the matter Dickie boy has your dog died or something? Or are
you just being a total **** as usual?

MC

Maybe I'm mistaken, but the above looks suspiciously like a gratuitous
insulting reply to a post that had nothing to do with you. I seem to
remember someone recently decrying such actions as vile and as conduct
unbecoming a gentleman and as only being done by dumbos and idiots.

Bob Weinberger

Hmmm............well first of all, you don´t know whether it has
anything to do with me or not. Secondly, Dickie boy is being extremely
obnoxious to two people I consider friends. Thirdly, for Dickie boy to
come out with drivel like this is quite typical, as all he is ever
generous with is abuse, and invariably gratuitous to boot. Fourthly,
if nobody protests he will fondly imagine that people either agree
with him or don´t care, and fifthly, why don´t you give your own
opinion on the matter at issue, instead of giving your opinion on my
opinion? Lastly, I really don´t care much what various dumbos and
idiots think of me, but I would like to think that sensible people
still hold me for an honest man.

That does not seem to be the case. I have seen a lot of mean and
nasty things on this group, and this is one of them. I wish you a lot
of luck.

Bye bye Mr.Weinberger.

MC

Oh, irony, thy is a nun-beating nappy-headed Nazi homo ho fishing with
your urinal-licking dead junkie brother at his club in the England to
which you've never returned...

Dickie boy

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:25:40 -0800, riverman
wrote:

On Nov 8, 12:51 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:16:01 GMT, wrote:

is in full swing. We have several generous donors but we could always
use more. Riverman has his wish list pretty much going and about half
subsidized...
You can send your flies to riverman , or... you can buy what you
would like to have sent to riverman, he

Or, if you'd really like to help:

www.stjude.org- St. Jude's

or

www.msf.org -- Medecins Sans Frontieres

or

www.somethingthatwillreallyhelp.whatever- Roll Yer Own



As the faculty sponsor of the Support MSF club that sends tens of
thousands of dollars to MSF yearly, I find it ironic that you included
them in your hate-post. But you're right; I hope that everyone here on
roff is contributing to a charitable organization that is making a
difference directly in the lives of people in need somewhere. I am
under the impression that you did some benevolent work for victims of
Katrina, and that is commendable.

But just in case anyone else misconstrued either Harry's post, or my
FF trip, let me clarify.

rdean is correct on another count: this is a very well-funded school
and the kids here are not in any way dying, starving or in real
financial need. If you are considering making a donation toward my
trip, I sincerely thank you, but if you have a limited budget for
donations of any sort, send it to MSF or StJudes. The impact will be
much more direct than sending it to me or Harry.

But please understand the spirit in which I first mentioned
contributions of flies. I want to influence these kids for the better.
They live in a very artificial urban world; many of them are the
children of CEOs, manufacturers and policial figures, and will grow up
to inherit their parents positions. They are all financially better
off than I am, and probably most of the rest of us here. But they are
not better off where it counts: a relationship with the natural world.
I want these kids to grow up with personal appreciation for a healthy
environment and make decisions that will preserve this. I think
flyfishing is one potentially powerful way to do this.

It will be very meaningful to them when I hand them a flybox and to
say "a bunch of fishermen from all over the world pitched in and got
these for you. Welcome to the community of flyfishermen...please help
us keep our natural world clean." My preference was for hand-tied
flies, but I understand that some folks felt it was easier and more
convenient to send cash to Harry to subsidize my order instead. In
either case, I respect the intent of Giving, and thank those who chose
to do so. Although it may not have the same impact as a hand-tied fly,
it is serendipitous that this will also benefit Harry, one of our own.
So again, thank you, and I will still deliver the flies with the same
message.

But don't let me misrepresent anything: I have a budget for this trip
and the parents have paid in full. I am not in financial need for
donations, and I certainly hope that no one was under that impression.
I think the emotional donation is both real and worth more than the
dollar amount, so I mean this deeply and truly: those who have
contributed; THANK YOU. Those who have chosen not to; no problem at
all, of course! The trip will still happen.

Anyway, for reasons that are hard to explain, I won't comment on this
any more, nor will I publicly mention anything about donations or
donors. If you wish to participate, feel free to do so any way you
choose, and know that it is deeply appreciated. If you choose not to,
know that it will not have any financial impact on my trip, nor any
emotional impact on how I feel about you or roff.

And thank god the world is not like the interior of rdeans mind.

And please accept my apology for including you in the "**** YOU" part. I
think I understand your hard to explain reasons for not wanting to
comment on charity and, well, I'd suspect that you'd understand my
understanding. IAC, based on the above, I was obviously wrong to have
included you, and again, I apologize for having made that mistake.

TC,
R


Myron

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:16:01 GMT, wrote:

is in full swing.

Sounds great, Harry. Be sure to tell who ever ties your Killer Caddis
to get busy. That has got to be the best trout fly since the first
Elk Hair Caddis. I am now tying it, but my arthritic hands do not do
it justice.

Dave

wrote:

... I mean real, 5-fluorouracil burned barf. And you have the
hair to telling me about kids and pain..**** you I help when I can
and how I can.
you can kiss my ass, or... send some flies...mouth

Wow. You have no idea how unintentionally ironic you're
being here.

For what it's worth I had the same reaction as Rick. I mean
we're talking about folks who can afford to send their kids
to the International School in Hong Kong, surely they can
afford to buy their kids a handful of ****in' flies.

On the other hand, if it makes people feel good to help a
fellow roffian I'm not gonna **** on their parade just because
I think they're being goofy.

Anyway, that's my two tenths of a dollar, carry on.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Mike wrote:
"Bob Weinberger" wrote:
"Mike" wrote:
snip
What´s the matter Dickie boy has your dog died or something? Or are
you just being a total **** as usual?

Maybe I'm mistaken, but the above looks suspiciously like a gratuitous
insulting reply to a post that had nothing to do with you. I seem to
remember someone recently decrying such actions as vile and as conduct
unbecoming a gentleman and as only being done by dumbos and idiots.

snip
... Lastly, I really don´t care much what various dumbos and
idiots think of me, but I would like to think that sensible people
still hold me for an honest man. ...

Too late for that, *WAY* too late, Mike. Too many foul-mouthed
personal attacks, too much insane, rabid ranting, and finally
too many clumsy lies. Google will *never* be your friend.

Now isn't it about time for you to crawl back into the booby
hatch from which you came ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:25:40 -0800, riverman
wrote:

On Nov 8, 12:51 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:16:01 GMT, wrote:

is in full swing. We have several generous donors but we could always
use more. Riverman has his wish list pretty much going and about half
subsidized...
You can send your flies to riverman , or... you can buy what you
would like to have sent to riverman, he

Or, if you'd really like to help:

www.stjude.org- St. Jude's

or

www.msf.org -- Medecins Sans Frontieres

or

www.somethingthatwillreallyhelp.whatever- Roll Yer Own



As the faculty sponsor of the Support MSF club that sends tens of
thousands of dollars to MSF yearly, I find it ironic that you included
them in your hate-post. But you're right; I hope that everyone here on
roff is contributing to a charitable organization that is making a
difference directly in the lives of people in need somewhere. I am
under the impression that you did some benevolent work for victims of
Katrina, and that is commendable.

But just in case anyone else misconstrued either Harry's post, or my
FF trip, let me clarify.

rdean is correct on another count: this is a very well-funded school
and the kids here are not in any way dying, starving or in real
financial need. If you are considering making a donation toward my
trip, I sincerely thank you, but if you have a limited budget for
donations of any sort, send it to MSF or StJudes. The impact will be
much more direct than sending it to me or Harry.

But please understand the spirit in which I first mentioned
contributions of flies. I want to influence these kids for the better.
They live in a very artificial urban world; many of them are the
children of CEOs, manufacturers and policial figures, and will grow up
to inherit their parents positions. They are all financially better
off than I am, and probably most of the rest of us here. But they are
not better off where it counts: a relationship with the natural world.
I want these kids to grow up with personal appreciation for a healthy
environment and make decisions that will preserve this. I think
flyfishing is one potentially powerful way to do this.

It will be very meaningful to them when I hand them a flybox and to
say "a bunch of fishermen from all over the world pitched in and got
these for you. Welcome to the community of flyfishermen...please help
us keep our natural world clean." My preference was for hand-tied
flies, but I understand that some folks felt it was easier and more
convenient to send cash to Harry to subsidize my order instead. In
either case, I respect the intent of Giving, and thank those who chose
to do so. Although it may not have the same impact as a hand-tied fly,
it is serendipitous that this will also benefit Harry, one of our own.
So again, thank you, and I will still deliver the flies with the same
message.

But don't let me misrepresent anything: I have a budget for this trip
and the parents have paid in full. I am not in financial need for
donations, and I certainly hope that no one was under that impression.
I think the emotional donation is both real and worth more than the
dollar amount, so I mean this deeply and truly: those who have
contributed; THANK YOU. Those who have chosen not to; no problem at
all, of course! The trip will still happen.

Anyway, for reasons that are hard to explain, I won't comment on this
any more, nor will I publicly mention anything about donations or
donors. If you wish to participate, feel free to do so any way you
choose, and know that it is deeply appreciated. If you choose not to,
know that it will not have any financial impact on my trip, nor any
emotional impact on how I feel about you or roff.

And thank god the world is not like the interior of rdeans mind.

And please accept my apology for including you in the "**** YOU" part. I
think I understand your hard to explain reasons for not wanting to
comment on charity and, well, I'd suspect that you'd understand my
understanding. IAC, based on the above, I was obviously wrong to have
included you, and again, I apologize for having made that mistake.

Sweet baby Jesus, how it must hurt to be you!

Wolfgang
not that that's a bad thing.

On Nov 8, 4:08 am, wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:25:40 -0800, riverman
wrote:





On Nov 8, 12:51 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:16:01 GMT, wrote:

is in full swing. We have several generous donors but we could always
use more. Riverman has his wish list pretty much going and about half
subsidized...
You can send your flies to riverman , or... you can buy what you
would like to have sent to riverman, he

Or, if you'd really like to help:

www.stjude.org-St. Jude's

or

www.msf.org-- Medecins Sans Frontieres

or

www.somethingthatwillreallyhelp.whatever-Roll Yer Own

As the faculty sponsor of the Support MSF club that sends tens of
thousands of dollars to MSF yearly, I find it ironic that you included
them in your hate-post. But you're right; I hope that everyone here on
roff is contributing to a charitable organization that is making a
difference directly in the lives of people in need somewhere. I am
under the impression that you did some benevolent work for victims of
Katrina, and that is commendable.

But just in case anyone else misconstrued either Harry's post, or my
FF trip, let me clarify.

rdean is correct on another count: this is a very well-funded school
and the kids here are not in any way dying, starving or in real
financial need. If you are considering making a donation toward my
trip, I sincerely thank you, but if you have a limited budget for
donations of any sort, send it to MSF or StJudes. The impact will be
much more direct than sending it to me or Harry.

But please understand the spirit in which I first mentioned
contributions of flies. I want to influence these kids for the better.
They live in a very artificial urban world; many of them are the
children of CEOs, manufacturers and policial figures, and will grow up
to inherit their parents positions. They are all financially better
off than I am, and probably most of the rest of us here. But they are
not better off where it counts: a relationship with the natural world.
I want these kids to grow up with personal appreciation for a healthy
environment and make decisions that will preserve this. I think
flyfishing is one potentially powerful way to do this.

It will be very meaningful to them when I hand them a flybox and to
say "a bunch of fishermen from all over the world pitched in and got
these for you. Welcome to the community of flyfishermen...please help
us keep our natural world clean." My preference was for hand-tied
flies, but I understand that some folks felt it was easier and more
convenient to send cash to Harry to subsidize my order instead. In
either case, I respect the intent of Giving, and thank those who chose
to do so. Although it may not have the same impact as a hand-tied fly,
it is serendipitous that this will also benefit Harry, one of our own.
So again, thank you, and I will still deliver the flies with the same
message.

But don't let me misrepresent anything: I have a budget for this trip
and the parents have paid in full. I am not in financial need for
donations, and I certainly hope that no one was under that impression.
I think the emotional donation is both real and worth more than the
dollar amount, so I mean this deeply and truly: those who have
contributed; THANK YOU. Those who have chosen not to; no problem at
all, of course! The trip will still happen.

Anyway, for reasons that are hard to explain, I won't comment on this
any more, nor will I publicly mention anything about donations or
donors. If you wish to participate, feel free to do so any way you
choose, and know that it is deeply appreciated. If you choose not to,
know that it will not have any financial impact on my trip, nor any
emotional impact on how I feel about you or roff.

And thank god the world is not like the interior of rdeans mind.

And please accept my apology for including you in the "**** YOU" part. I
think I understand your hard to explain reasons for not wanting to
comment on charity and, well, I'd suspect that you'd understand my
understanding. IAC, based on the above, I was obviously wrong to have
included you, and again, I apologize for having made that mistake.

TC,
R





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Very good. Now tell MC that it didn't hurt at all to do that.
What happened? Did you find out one of those kids is from a family
that make pickles for you?
I'll bet most roffians don't read food labels, lots of pickles in
grocery stores from India and China. Probably lots more in places like
MickyDs.

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:52:45 -0600, wrote:

I don't need to travel to California to help children, but if you
provide me with info on the children's charity of which you speak, I'll
be happy to consider adding it to the list, although I will say that
while I have the utmost sympathy for _any_ child going through _any_
traumatic illness, there is only so much one person can do and I prefer
helping where it's needed most, first. As to helping sick kids, you
have no idea of which you speak, but here's a hint: it might occur to
even a casual reader that someone who has some passion about the whole
subject - you know, foaming and frothing and all - might well have that
passion for a reason.



IAC, even if I liked to hunt sick kids with Dick Cheney and John Kerry,
it still doesn't change the fact that what you are doing is no more than
SPAM and doing it for kids that apparently don't need it. AFAIK, you
didn't instigate it, but you certainly jumped on board, and are now
promoting it. And if your pitch had been for sick children who couldn't
afford gear, you might have had my help, and you would have certainly
had my respect, but I've never seen you mention any such charity - which
is not to say you have not - on ROFF. And your replies thus far make me
all the more certain in saying:

**** YOU, **** YOUR FLY SUBSIDY, AND **** MYRON

And for me, that about does it,
R

my "pitch" as it were, was to help riverman turn some kids on to
flyfishing. As to weather they meet some criteria for need was not my
call nor did it matter. If you had come here and asked for flies, I
have done the same thing. Like I did with riverman I would not ask
for any type of means test, I would take you on your word that you
wanted some help.
I did so as a donation and at my cost and or less. If you think I did
this make a dime your sadly mistaken.
As for helping kids... I agree, you have no idea......but lets just
say that chemo makes doing a half hitch difficult.

On 8 Nov, 13:47, Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Mike wrote:
"Bob Weinberger" wrote:
"Mike" wrote:
snip
What´s the matter Dickie boy has your dog died or something? Or are
you just being a total **** as usual?

Maybe I'm mistaken, but the above looks suspiciously like a gratuitous
insulting reply to a post that had nothing to do with you. I seem to
remember someone recently decrying such actions as vile and as conduct
unbecoming a gentleman and as only being done by dumbos and idiots.

snip
... Lastly, I really don´t care much what various dumbos and
idiots think of me, but I would like to think that sensible people
still hold me for an honest man. ...

Too late for that, *WAY* too late, Mike. Too many foul-mouthed
personal attacks, too much insane, rabid ranting, and finally
too many clumsy lies. Google will *never* be your friend.

Now isn't it about time for you to crawl back into the booby
hatch from which you came ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

I wrote "sensible people" Kennyboy. Not psychopaths.

MC