New Waders

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:19:20 -0500, "Yuji Sakuma"
wrote:

Hi Bill,

It is fine that you are patriotic and choose to promote American products
but I am Canadian and I am looking for price/performance - country of origin
is not a criterion for me. For example, I notice that the best outdoor
gear, with a couple of exceptions, is designed by American companies, such
as Patagonia, Marmot, Mountain Hardware, etc., and fabricated offshore. My
experience with Goretex in outerwear is that it is technically good, maybe
the best, but that the difference in performance with other
waterproof-breathable membranes for most applications is marginal. I was
happy with the Orvis Clearwater waders except for the awful fit and the
ridiculous double knees (which trapped water). Just because something is
made in America does not make it the best; ask me if I would rather own a
German car or a Japanese camera. That said, I think Simms does make the
best waders.

Yuji

After comparing Canadian Wardells to Simms Freestones (same dollars),
I wouldn't touch the Simms with a barge pole (durability). However,
if you're after maximum portability the Wardells, being heavier, won't
pack down like the Freestones. I'd go back and have another look at
Clearwaters as I think Orvis has gone back to the original formula. I
put six hard seasons on my Clearwaters and their still my backups and
(Frank's G).

I've now put one and half seasons on my Wardells and I remain very
happy with them.

Peter

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Peter,

I was in your local fly shop (Grindstone) looking at waders last Saturday
and I did see the Wardells but they are too heavy for what I want them for.
You know, I am an agnostic as far as country of origin goes these days. The
Horror! Bimmers assembled by good ol' boys in the deep south instead of
Turks in Germany! Canons/Nikons made in southeast asia! (is it Malaysia?).
No, the world outside is not as backward as some people think.

Yuji

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"Peter Charles" wrote in message
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After comparing Canadian Wardells to Simms Freestones (same dollars),
I wouldn't touch the Simms with a barge pole (durability). However,
if you're after maximum portability the Wardells, being heavier, won't
pack down like the Freestones. I'd go back and have another look at
Clearwaters as I think Orvis has gone back to the original formula. I
put six hard seasons on my Clearwaters and their still my backups and
(Frank's G).

I've now put one and half seasons on my Wardells and I remain very
happy with them.

Peter

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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:39:38 -0500, "Yuji Sakuma"
wrote:

Peter,

I was in your local fly shop (Grindstone) looking at waders last Saturday
and I did see the Wardells but they are too heavy for what I want them for.
You know, I am an agnostic as far as country of origin goes these days. The
Horror! Bimmers assembled by good ol' boys in the deep south instead of
Turks in Germany! Canons/Nikons made in southeast asia! (is it Malaysia?).
No, the world outside is not as backward as some people think.

Yuji

Ya, but they're way more comfortable if you don't tell 'em about it.



Peter

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Say, has anybody checked this little prick for Sars?

"Yuji Sakuma" wrote in message
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Peter,
Yuji

Yuji Sakuma wrote:
Hello,

Sometime before next April, I intend to buy a new pair of lightweight waders
as a backup spare for my "guide weight" gamer. Of the ones currently on the
market, my choice would be the Simms Freestone. I have looked at the
Freestone in a shop; they are not as lightweight and packable as say, the
Orvis Clearwater but the Clearwater fit is just terrible.

My question is this; does anyone know at this time if any new products are
coming for 2004 from Simms (or any other top quality manufacturer), which
will be a competitive alternative to the Simms Freestone? I would prefer an
even lighter wader if one were to become available.

Thanks for any information.

Yuji Sakuma



why the hell would you prefer an inferior product to save a few
bucks? do you like getting wet?

no new waders from simms in 2004.... why? well, it's probably
gonna take the competition 5 years to catch up.

waldo

Walt,

I am looking for a pair of backup waders. My gamer is a pair of Simms
guideweights but I guess I still qualify as a prick according to one of the
other denizens of this newsgroup.

Best regards,

Yuji Sakuma

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"walt winter" wrote in message
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why the hell would you prefer an inferior product to save a few
bucks? do you like getting wet?

no new waders from simms in 2004.... why? well, it's probably
gonna take the competition 5 years to catch up.

waldo

"Yuji Sakuma" wrote in message
.. .
Walt,

I am looking for a pair of backup waders. My gamer is a pair of Simms
guideweights but I guess I still qualify as a prick according to one of
the
other denizens of this newsgroup.

Best regards,

Yuji Sakuma

DAMN! I swear, I never said a word!

Wolfgang

Yuji,

My #1 pair is a pants style guideweight. It has provided dry
service for nearly three years. When the new G3's arrived I
thought of getting a pair as a backup. Since I rarely wear chest
highs, I decided on the Freestone.

Walt



Yuji Sakuma wrote:
Walt,

I am looking for a pair of backup waders. My gamer is a pair of Simms
guideweights but I guess I still qualify as a prick according to one of the
other denizens of this newsgroup.

Best regards,

Yuji Sakuma

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"walt winter" wrote in message
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why the hell would you prefer an inferior product to save a few
bucks? do you like getting wet?

no new waders from simms in 2004.... why? well, it's probably
gonna take the competition 5 years to catch up.

waldo

"Yuji Sakuma" wrote in message
.. .
Walt,

I am looking for a pair of backup waders. My gamer is a pair of Simms
guideweights but I guess I still qualify as a prick according to one of
the
other denizens of this newsgroup.

Best regards,

Yuji Sakuma

Yes Yuji, you "qualify as a prick according to [ONE] of the other denizens
of this newsgroup." I think the majority of us (me included) understood
EXACTLY what you were sayin'.

Op --if ideologies suck, ethnocentric thinkin' suck even more--

Yuji Sakuma wrote:
Hello,

Sometime before next April, I intend to buy a new pair of lightweight waders
as a backup spare for my "guide weight" gamer. Of the ones currently on the
market, my choice would be the Simms Freestone. I have looked at the
Freestone in a shop; they are not as lightweight and packable as say, the
Orvis Clearwater but the Clearwater fit is just terrible.

My question is this; does anyone know at this time if any new products are
coming for 2004 from Simms (or any other top quality manufacturer), which
will be a competitive alternative to the Simms Freestone? I would prefer an
even lighter wader if one were to become available.

Thanks for any information.


You might look at one of the Bailey waders.

Willi