I need help.

On Apr 22, 11:25 am, Halfordian Golfer wrote:
On Apr 21, 7:06 pm, tim wrote:



I have been out FF four times so far this year. Today I was at the Black
River in Hackelbarney. I have not had any luck yet. I used GRHE,Pheasant
Tail,Royal Coachman Wet, and a Adams dry. I used a 7.5 to 9 FT leader
including tippit( both 4X). The thing that I hate is I see bait guys
with a stringer full of fish.This is basically my second season FF. Is
my lack of success normal. I am tying my own flies, but do buy
sometimes. I dont know what else to try. Any suggestions?

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tim -

You said: "The thing that I hate is I see bait guys with a stringer
full of fish."

What do you mean?

TBone

Probably hates to see pool players using garden rakes also.

cheers

oz, who understands the distinction between (although sometimes they
overlap) between "sport" and "harvest"

"tim" wrote

including tippit( both 4X). The thing that I hate is I see bait guys
with a stringer full of fish.This is basically my second season FF. Is
my lack of success normal. I am tying my own flies, but do buy
sometimes. I dont know what else to try. Any suggestions?




Tim,

The first thing that comes to MY mind is to ask, "If you were fishing bait,
would YOU be catching fish?"

Assuming a positive reply to my question .... take a flashback GRHE and fish
it exactly where and how you might fish a salmon egg ... same weight, same
drift down through drop offs and runs ... ( NOT the way some people fish
bait, plunk it out there, sit down and wait...yuk ) ... the way small
baits are actively fished in streams for trout by the better practitioners
.... very short line, enough weight to get to the bottom, constant contact
with the lure so that you can feel the rocks and takes ( assume take :-) ,
but still a natural drift ... maybe a tiny strike indicator, but not a
'float' something big enough to keep your fly off the bottom or muscle it's
drift.


Be aware ... trust me .... if you're talking planted trout and bait guys are
doing well ... you WILL have your fly taken many of the drifts ... I'm
certain you have already had your wet flies "eaten," .... yes certain

No need to dispair, you're succeeding, you just don't know it yet G

BUT, unlike bait when your fly is taken, it will then be spit out very
quickly .... the bait is swallowed and it may be MUCH later that the angler
notices You don't have that luxury of time or wandering mind ...
concentration is very important

The key becomes "strike detection" ... ... YOU have to strike anything
that might be a take ( try not to be too forceful, "lift" is a better word
than strike, lift, if no fish lower and continue the drift ) ... you only
have a second or two .. don't delay, don't analyze, don't think, don't
worry what others think, ... LIFT to anything the least bit odd )

Soon, the right kind of odd will become more apparent, but there is no way
to avoid "setting" to rock bumps, and catching leaves. 'Someday" soon
you'll be setting to things you can't even tell us about ... hunches,
flashes, wiggles in the wavelets... certain a fish is there ... for now set
to everything odd ... it will pay off, honest


Lastly, confidence is a MAJOR factor .... trust me ... you WILL have your
nymph eaten a LOT of times ...

"Larry L" wrote


Lastly, confidence is a MAJOR factor .... trust me ... you WILL have your
nymph eaten a LOT of times ...




a hook hone is a good purchase ... if you use it G

extremely sharp hooks spit out a little slower sometimes or even lead to
fish hooking themselves

those rock bumps dull hooks ... so check points on a fingernail often

"Larry L" wrote

... the way small
baits are actively fished in streams for trout by the better practitioners
... very short line, enough weight to get to the bottom, constant contact
with the lure so that you can feel the rocks and takes ( assume take :-) ,
but still a natural drift ... maybe a tiny strike indicator, but not a
'float' something big enough to keep your fly off the bottom or muscle
it's drift.



google "high stick nymphing" and similar words for ideas on what I have in
mind here

and

to remove any silly snob-guilt about "fishing like bait" .... G

On Apr 21, 4:06*pm, tim wrote:
I have been out FF four times so far this year. Today I was at the Black
River in Hackelbarney. I have not had any luck yet. I used GRHE,Pheasant
Tail,Royal Coachman Wet, and a Adams dry. I used a 7.5 to 9 FT leader
including tippit( both 4X). The thing that I hate is I see bait guys
with a stringer full of fish.This is basically my second season FF. Is
my lack of success normal. I am tying my own flies, but do buy
sometimes. I dont know what else to try. Any suggestions?

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There is some good advise in the thread. Here is mine. Try a worm
pattern, or better yet, try fishing with a worm hooked at one end. The
most likely reasons you are not catching fish yet is 1) most of the
stockers don't know what an aquatic insect is, and 2) You have not
developed enough sense of the "take" yet. There is a fine old
tradition of fishing small worms or worm patterns on a flyrod. In the
early season, after rains, and on some rivers much of the time, some
forms of worm are available to the fish. They are the "hatch."

Because the early season fish in NJ are mostly stockers don't be
bashful . . . leave the barb on, catch a few fish and use this
opportunity to study the critter, open its gut and see what's in
there, check out its mouth and how its hooked, check out its fins and
posit their different functions etc. gills etc..

There is nothing like lack of success to put most people off fly
fishing. Reduce some of the variables for now, catch some fish, study
the critters and keep at it. Good luck.

Dave

tim wrote:
I have been out FF four times so far this year. Today I was at the Black
River in Hackelbarney. I have not had any luck yet. I used GRHE,Pheasant
Tail,Royal Coachman Wet, and a Adams dry. I used a 7.5 to 9 FT leader
including tippit( both 4X). The thing that I hate is I see bait guys
with a stringer full of fish.This is basically my second season FF. Is
my lack of success normal. I am tying my own flies, but do buy
sometimes. I dont know what else to try. Any suggestions?

Almost anywhere in early spring, a large (#6 or so) black, very fuzzy
fly DRAGGING THE BOTTOM often works when nothing else will.

cheers

oz, who ties his on keel hooks with a dark bead head

if you like you can meet up with myself and some of my friends we fish
the musky and flatbrook we will put you on some fish and we don't
fish with the baiters either so it could be a good fit


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On Apr 24, 7:34 pm, Dennis wrote:
if you like you can meet up with myself and some of my friends we fish
the musky and flatbrook we will put you on some fish and we don't
fish with the baiters either so it could be a good fit

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Why don't you fish with baiters Dennis?

Best regards,

TBone

On Apr 24, 5:57*pm, Halfordian Golfer wrote:
On Apr 24, 7:34 pm, Dennis wrote:

if you like you can meet up with myself and some of my friends we fish
the musky and flatbrook * we will put you on some fish and we don't
fish with the baiters either so it could be a good fit

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Why don't you fish with baiters Dennis?

Best regards,

TBone

I would give $50 to see a pix of the look of your face at a Jersey
style opening day. You would swear off fisheaten and your obsession
for good. But also, as the gentlemen is generously offering, Jersey
does have its class A too, and without C&R its Bladerunner in Waders.
and wall to wall treble hooks.

Dave