adg fly rods and reels??

Who is "adg"? I have no idea?

Anyone who wants to can have their own brand name fly rods made over seas
now.

When ever I buy anything, I like to recognize the name even if it is
"Hyundai".
--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA
www.kiene.com

"steve sullivan" wrote in message
...

Anyone familiar with them? I have bought 2 adg 6/7/8 reels (retail
$240), a adg titanium 7/8 rod (retail $900,), adg custom sized weighters
(retail $329)

They are all very good quality wise. I like the reels as much as I like
my hardy lrh.

What are people's opinion of them? While they are great products, the
warranty's are very discouraging.

My $200 plus reel's warranty card says :
UNCONDITIONAL WARRANTY. If any part of the reel fails to perform for
any reason, send it to us for repair with your address, receipt, and
registration copy, and $9.50 for shipping and handling.

Ok, you buy a $240 reel and they will fix it for ANY REASON for just
$9.50. But wait, after you have had your product a while you find out
they dont like just getting $9.50, so after the fact they are changing
your unconditional warranty to charging you $69.

This reel is as well built as my hardy, so I am not that concerned
My $450(on sale)rod says it has a unconditional lifetime warranty, for
$49 they will fix it or send you a new one. Apparently they are now
changing it to $100. I have not confirmed that but I will almost
certainly take it back if this is true. When one buys a rod that
retails for $900 and it has a uncondtional warranty, having to pay $100
if anything happens is insane.

Have any of the other companys changed the pricing of warranty AFTER THE
FACT? Because ADG has no qualms about retroactively changing the
warranty.

Adg are AWESOME PRODUCTS. In my opinion their warranty is insane. You
get the old bait and switch. You get a unconditional warranty with your
$250 reel that they will fix it for $9.95 and they then change it on you
to $70. Your $450 rod (retails for $900) they decide to change your
warranty from $49 to $98.

What are good rods in 8/9 weight that are titanium, and what is the
warranty?

Adg products are very good products, but their thinking they can change
the costs of a warranty after the fact greatly sully the company

In article ,
"Bill Kiene" wrote:

Who is "adg"? I have no idea?

Anyone who wants to can have their own brand name fly rods made over seas
now.

When ever I buy anything, I like to recognize the name even if it is
"Hyundai".

Well go to www.adgfish.com and you will see. Their rods are used by
casting champions and the tape they use on their waders is wanted by all
the wader makers including simms.

On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Kevin Vang wrote:

In other words, you aren't just paying for the rod, you are also paying
the premium on a lifetime insurance policy against breakage.

Yo, Professor V.

Up your nose widda rubber hose

Vinny Barbarino

Seriously though. Weren't the premium rods $500 before they instituted
these ridiculous warranties? The price didn;t go up did they? Or maybe
the cost of insurance amounted to only $10-$50 per rod.

Mu

In article . umich.edu,
says...

Seriously though. Weren't the premium rods $500 before they instituted
these ridiculous warranties? The price didn;t go up did they? Or maybe
the cost of insurance amounted to only $10-$50 per rod.


Just looking at the Kauffmans website (http://www.kman.com/rods.htm) as
a typical example, the top end of price range for Sage, Winston, Powell,
and Hardy rods is around $750.

My guess is that the cost of the insurance, er, warranty, is fairly
negligible. There is a segment of the market which is willing to cough
up $700 bucks for a fly rod (and a fairly large segment, at that,
apparently) and if offering an extravagant warranty is what it takes
to get a share of that market, then that is what the rod companies
will offer.

Somewhere out there, there has to be somebody who would pay $100,000 for
a fly rod if a replacement rod could be hand delivered in under an hour
by Reese Witherspoon. Yo Bill, there is an under-served market segment
out there for you!

Kevin
Note to Mu: Off my case, toilet face!

Bill Kiene wrote:
Who is "adg"? I have no idea?

bill, same thing i thought... too damn bad we didn't think of it. a
brilliant marketing ploy of kpos,,,,,, 150 clams max, fly rods fer 400
smackers..... but gawdamn, ya saved 500 bucks... what a deal!

my take is that sullivan is a shill.... or the biggest fool ever to wade
these roffian waters...

wally

steve sullivan wrote:

In article ,
"Bill Kiene" wrote:


Who is "adg"? I have no idea?

Anyone who wants to can have their own brand name fly rods made over seas
now.

When ever I buy anything, I like to recognize the name even if it is
"Hyundai".


Well go to www.adgfish.com and you will see. Their rods are used by
casting champions and the tape they use on their waders is wanted by all
the wader makers including simms.


you are a fool.

waldo

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:42:39 +0100, JR wrote:

Kevin Vang wrote:

In other words, you aren't just paying for the rod, you are also paying
the premium on a lifetime insurance policy against breakage. It might
be nice if the rod companies would itemize the costs, and give the buyer
the option of not paying the insurance premium, or to pay a lower
premium in return for applying a deductible on any damage claims.

This may be what the makers of high-end rods will do (offer the warranty
as a point-of-sale option), rather than drop the unconditional warranty
altogether. How much would you be willing to pay for a SAGE SLT or a
Winston LT with no warranty?

This is an excellent question and cuts to the bone. I'd go $300 tops without a
warranty - and I have several rods that indeed were purchased over the years
at that price point and without any automagic repair/replacement coverage.

More than that and still without some form of coverage I'd first have to
seriously inflict damage on myownself.

/daytripper (can't have that. nope...)

On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:06:21 -0600, Kevin Vang wrote:
[snipped]
Somewhere out there, there has to be somebody who would pay $100,000 for
a fly rod if a replacement rod could be hand delivered in under an hour
by Reese Witherspoon. Yo Bill, there is an under-served market segment
out there for you!

Kevin
Note to Mu: Off my case, toilet face!

"Reese Witherspoon"?? Kinky - in a "lets pretend you're only 15" sort of way.

For that kind of money you could do WAY better, I'm sure.

/daytripper (I'm thinking Gwen Stefani. Mmmmmm. ;-)

"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 02:05:32 GMT, ezflyfisher
wrote:


my take is that sullivan is a shill.... or the biggest fool ever to wade
these roffian waters...


Actually, I thought that his post was meant to be
sarcasm.

Doesn't necessarily preclude his being a fool and/or a shill......nor do any
of his contributions here thus far, for that matter.

Wolfgang

In article t,
ezflyfisher wrote:



steve sullivan wrote:

In article ,
"Bill Kiene" wrote:


Who is "adg"? I have no idea?

Anyone who wants to can have their own brand name fly rods made over seas
now.

When ever I buy anything, I like to recognize the name even if it is
"Hyundai".


Well go to www.adgfish.com and you will see. Their rods are used by
casting champions and the tape they use on their waders is wanted by all
the wader makers including simms.


you are a fool.

I am not a fool. I may be ignorant, but I am not a fool. What am I
ignorant about?