vise

Have to agree. My first vise was a Thompson model A, I still have this
vise and at times use it to have Annie take pictures of my flies for my
column in the Catskill Fly Tyers Gazette. This vise has a sentimental
memories for me and has tied some really ugly to some really beautiful
flies. Wound up with a Renzetti presentation 4000 with cam jaws and a
sal****er base. I thought this was the last vise for me. Well the
Salmon Fly bug along with bass bugs and salt water flies hit me and
hence I bought the Renzetti Master. Now unless this vise blows up or
needs constant repair, this is truly my last vise. I can't agree with
you more that different vises for different flies and of course styles
and preferance. From what I have seen the New Renzetti vise does look a
whole lot nice than the older traveler and seems to have been improved
as well. I know Renzetti products very well and feel this would be a
great first vise that should last a very long time unless the Salmon
Fly bug gets him. I also highly endorse HMH and Regal vises. Quality
products and will serve a tyer for a very long time of tying. I truly
considered a Regal when I was looking for a vise to do Salmon flies. I
also looked at Dynaking Barracuda as well. If I were tying Trout flies
and my Wet flies I would go with a Regal. I just didn't like the fact I
had to change jaws when I wanted to go to another size of fly, meaning
Wet fly to salmon fly and then to midge. The Barracuda seemed to be a
very high quality vise and what turned me off was it's looks. The
Renzetti Master won the all around hands down. I get into these moods
when I tye and I tye one show fly of this and then a streamer and next
get inspired for a free style Salmon fly. Kind of strange I guess.

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On May 16, 4:56*pm, smittin wrote:
Hi everyone I have flyfishing for the past 15 years 8 as a kid 3 slow
years and the last 4 I have tested my marriage to the fullest. * Now I
am ready to buy my first vise I got all the info I needed on what kind
ect. *I just don't know weather to get a peddistle base or C clamp. *I
know it's probably a matter of what works for you, but I couldn't find
that much feedback on who l

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I have a Renzetti Traveler (noncam) and used it for years. Last year I
bought a DynaKing Barracuda and it has become my principle vice. It
has noth a pedastal and c-clamp.So much easier to use. I would suggest
Dyna King (Made in USA). I would suggest eBay as you may get a
bargin. Either buy from a store there or get in an auction. My
Traveler cost $86 and the Barracuda was $150 (both new).
Good tying
deserttrout

There are lots of good vises for sale, and at least one piece of high priced
junk. I don't think you can go wrong with anything except that piece of junk
called Nor-Vise and their stupid bobbin. Avoid both like the plague!

Good luck!
John.

John;114544 Wrote:
Nor-Vise and their stupid bobbin. Avoid both like the plague!

Good luck!
John.

I seen that vise demonstrated at the fly fishing show every year, as I
watched him demonstrate it, he makes it look all-so-easy.

That is until you start to break down all the componets. To me in the
hands of the inventor of the vise it looks great, I know once someone
takes it home and will struggle with it for a while before he/she even
becomes proficient with it (like those line/leader/tippet knot tying
tools).

May way of thinking, I enjoy tying flies, I don't do it to make a
living, so speed it not a object in the selection of a vise.

John, your the first owner of one that I heard that hates it (couse I
never heard of anyone saying the like it either). I often wondered, if
someone spent a bucket load of money for it... how many who feels the
same as you would publically say so???

As always, appreciate your honesty.

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On Wed, 21 May 2008 23:17:41 -0700, "John" bass wrote:

There are lots of good vises for sale, and at least one piece of high priced
junk. I don't think you can go wrong with anything except that piece of junk
called Nor-Vise and their stupid bobbin. Avoid both like the plague!

I use a Nor Vise at home and a Renzetti Traveler on the road. I love
both of them. The self winding bobbin is unique, and while it takes
time to get used to it, once you do you can tie much more efficiently.
A friend has his Nor attached to his fly tying box containing his
materials. He simply screws both pieces into the fold-down side and
he's set for whatever he needs to tie - big streamers to #24
nymphs/dries.

I would not recommend either the Renzetti or the Nor or *any*
expensive vise to a beginner. Too many times I have seen folks go out
and invest in expensive tools/vises and lots of materials only to find
out (too late) that they do not enjoy tying.

A newbie should start out with a simple non-rotary vise like a
Thompson knock-off and inexpensive tools. If the bug takes hold, he
should then invest in the best tools and materials he can afford.

Dave



Dave

On Thu, 22 May 2008 05:50:13 -0400, AKSkim
wrote:

I know once someone
takes it home and will struggle with it for a while before he/she even
becomes proficient with it (like those line/leader/tippet knot tying
tools).

d;o) I struggled with the self-winding bobbin for awhile, but I also
struggled with the the first rotary drive I used (non Renzetti). You
aren't going to like this, but I am a great fan of the knot tying
tool. Arthritis in my hands makes tying the clinch and surgeon knots
difficult. With the tool, I can tie them much faster than most folks
can tie them. If I lose the tool (and I have), forceps work just as
well. Both the self-winding bobbin and the tying thing-a-ma-jig are
tools. All tools require a little "break in" time.

Dave

Honestly, I think this post has gotten off the deep end. As a tyer who
demonstrates in shows, tyes for other people and of course myself there
is no right vise or wrong vise as well as tools. Now for a beginner I do
recomend a thompson or and HMH vise or a regal and so on. Also some of
those knock off vises do not have good hook holding capabilities or
requires a constant adjustment when simply going from hook to hook. Far
as tools like bobbin, whip finisher and so on, cheap tools adds more
issues to complicate tying. To a new tyer everything seems complicated
at first. Why would you want to add to it. Not everyone can use their
hands and others have physical issues. Tools and other types of vises
can help these people tye and enjoy the hobby, that what I'm talking
about. I do not like the Nor Vise. Other people do. It's not for me. I
love my Renzetti Master, you might love your Barracuda. The bottom line
is are you tying flies and enjoying yourself. I can tye a beautiful show
quality wet fly on My Renzetti or my first vise which was a Thompson
model A or a Regal or an HMH or Barracuda and with some practice I
believe I could tye one on a Nor Vise as well. This topic is like a
Ford vs Chevy vs Chrysler and so on. Try spending more time helping
beginners instead of critisizing the type of vise they tye on or the
tools they use or dont' use.


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I think that vise comparison and rating is generally overrated. There
are enough quality choices out there that one can find something very
nice in his/her price range. A good tyer can tie a good fly on a
machineshop bench vise or a $700 all-the-bells-and-whistles design.
Decide what your range of budget is, get to a few shops, try as many as
you can and see what you feel comfortable with as far as hand
positioning and features. Anything from Renzetti, DynaKing, Regal or
HMH are finely made, high quality vises that should last a lifetime. I
would strongly suggest some rotary ability, if only to easily look at
the backside of the fly. The true 'center axis' (shank remains
stationary during rotation) is good for ribbing flies, but seldom used
(at least by me) beyond that. Additionally, while less 'finely
machined', an excellent bang for the buck vise is the Peak. My thought
is that this vise could be a 'one and done' lifetime purchase for many
beginning tyers. Great value there. Hope this helps.


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Dave LaCourse;114550 Wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2008 23:17:41 -0700, "John" bass wrote:

There are lots of good vises for sale, and at least one piece of high
priced
junk. I don't think you can go wrong with anything except that piece
of junk
called Nor-Vise and their stupid bobbin. Avoid both like the plague!

I use a Nor Vise at home and a Renzetti Traveler on the road. I love
both of them. The self winding bobbin is unique, and while it takes
time to get used to it, once you do you can tie much more efficiently.
A friend has his Nor attached to his fly tying box containing his
materials. He simply screws both pieces into the fold-down side and
he's set for whatever he needs to tie - big streamers to #24
nymphs/dries.

I would not recommend either the Renzetti or the Nor or *any*
expensive vise to a beginner. Too many times I have seen folks go out
and invest in expensive tools/vises and lots of materials only to find
out (too late) that they do not enjoy tying.

A newbie should start out with a simple non-rotary vise like a
Thompson knock-off and inexpensive tools. If the bug takes hold, he
should then invest in the best tools and materials he can afford.

Dave



Dave


thanks but It's been a long time and comming for me to start. I know I
will keep up with it. And I will just end up buying something else
shortly after. And want to buy one and be done(even though this never
happens). I am not a wealthy man but, I am somewhat of an overspender
with what I got (like I said my wife would go off the deepend if she
knew how much my stuff I have is worth). Now I know everyone said try
them out first, but there is no place near me and when I drive an hour
or more to go trout fishing I spend every second of that time fishing
because I don't get as much time as I used to have. But mabey if I can
get some extra time I will get somewhere to do some testing.
DRO closing is so awfull with what happened, and now there is nowhere
close bye, that place was a real gem.
Again thanks for everyone's feedback and I will post a pic after my
setup is complete with my first fly. Completion expectation date is
middle of july so I will be shopping, building, researching the new
aspect of my hobbie till then.


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I can understand the problem of not having someplace to try them out.
Perhaps you may find a dealer (like Drew at Tightlines?) who might ship
you what you think is your first choice, with the ability to send it
back in exchange for your second (and possibly third) choice if the
first one isn't quite right? Though you will be paying a considerable
amount of shipping charges should the first one not be right....

That said, I'll give you my take on some of the more popular ones -

Regal - these are quick setup vises - squeeze the lever, insert hook,
release lever and start tying. Strong hook hold. Many commercial
tyers like these for the no-nonsense, no fiddling around time approach.
Higher model rotates hook, but the shank will not stay level and
stationary during rotation. Cheaper one is called the Inex. Believe
it does not rotate.

Renzetti - 'True Rotary' vises. May get the Traveler and use it the
rest of their lives. Great concept and well made. A little more hook
setup time than others if you have the older non-cam jaws (knob
adjust). Believe they have gone to mostly all cam style now. This
novel design style has been mimicked by many manufacturers over the
years. Some have an issue with the available hand space when working
from the back end of the hook. Presentation series is up in the $300+
range. Basically the same setup as the Traveler, but more steel and
better ratchet style rotation feature. Presentation series also has
stem extensions that can raise the vise (lengthen the stem) by 3" or
6", something you can't do with the Traveler. Unless you tie only
smaller flies, I would avoid the 3000 Presentation series. These jaws
don't hold larger hooks as well as the others.

DynaKing - The Barracuda is held in high regard by many, but not cheap.
In the range of the Renzetti Presentations. Superb build
quality/machining. Strong hookhold. A cheaper and lighter version is
their Trekker. Again, same approach as the Renzetti, with bent arm and
true center axis hook rotation. They make many other models as well.

Peak - basically the same setup as the Renzettis and DynaKings.
Perhaps not as nicely machined, but quality build and a great
pricepoint at around $150. IMO a great starter vise and beyond.

HMH - A classic line of vises. Standard and the Spartan are the most
common. Nicely machined. Several pedestal options. Not 'true rotary'
but does rotate so you can see the back side of the fly easily. The
Spartan is a very good value at under $200.

Of course, there are many other manufacturers and models, but these are
some of the most common. I have no doubt that the build quality of any
of the above is good enough to last many many years without issue and
that most tyers would be happy with any of them and never want for
anything else.


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