Quill-bodied mayflies...

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On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:30:23 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
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if you can find them, seek out Canada Goose primary wing biots...dye
them in any manner you like and see what a difference they make in the
segmented appearance of the body.I think you will like it

http://www.troutflies.com/Merchant2/...009/hoh139.jpg

Thanks, Harry, I will do that. Pronto. Gosh, it is good to see you post
around these parts!! I hope you are well.
Tom



Thanks Tom, I'm doing very well, in fact about to hit the five year
all's clear mark here pretty soon. Kind of a milestone in the world of
angiosarcoma's :


when last i saw you (a few weeks ago) on the banks of the madison, you
looked and acted so "well" that it never even crossed my mind that you
had experienced any life-threatening health issues. you were entirely
too well, as was i.g good to know we'll have you around for a good
long while yet - new flies to discover and new streams to wade. there is
something healing and energizing about chasing trout on such waters, eh?
btw, those cdc&elk and the killer caddis i first discovered through
you were magic on the madison and nez perce and... well, you know. did
the salmonfly ever get going strong?

always good to see you harry - here and elsewhere.

jeff

"jeff miller" wrote in message
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always good to see you harry - here and elsewhere.

jeff


and yourownself, too, counselor. BTW, how easy a trip would it be for you to
make it up to, say, Assateague Island(or visa versa)? The Littleton clan
might well be residing down that way within a year.
Tom

"jeff miller" wrote in message
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btw, those cdc&elk and the killer caddis i first discovered through you
were magic on the madison and nez perce and... well, you know. did the
salmonfly ever get going strong?

always good to see you harry - here and elsewhere.

jeff


And speaking of which, does anyone have a good source for the "Type II" CDC
feathers that are used for this pattern?

Danl

On Aug 6, 4:56*am, jeff miller wrote:
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:30:23 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

wrote in message
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if you can find them, seek out Canada Goose primary wing biots...dye
them in any manner you like and see what a difference they make in the
segmented appearance of the body.I think you will *like it

http://www.troutflies.com/Merchant2/...009/hoh139.jpg

Thanks, Harry, I will do that. Pronto. Gosh, it is good to see you post
around these parts!! I hope you are well.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Tom

Thanks Tom, I'm doing very well, in fact about to hit the five year
all's clear mark here pretty soon. Kind of a milestone in the world of
angiosarcoma's *:

when last i saw you (a few weeks ago) on the banks of the madison, you
looked and acted so "well" that it never even crossed my mind that you
had experienced any life-threatening health issues. *you were entirely
too well, as was i.g good to know we'll have you around for a good
long while yet - new flies to discover and new streams to wade. there is
something healing and energizing about chasing trout on such waters, eh?
* btw, those cdc&elk and the killer caddis i first discovered through
you were magic on the madison and nez perce and... *well, you know. *did
the salmonfly ever get going strong?

always good to see you harry - here and elsewhere.

jeff- Hide quoted text -

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yes there is something healing about chasing fish... that area does
help as well :-) as for the salmon flies they never really got up that
high...goldens did though... the bugs were late as was the spring so
bug wise, we were there mid June, calendar wise, it was mid July. Good
to see you and from what I saw you were having a great old time :-)

harry

On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:52:12 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:51:14 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
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I have sort of settled for using turkey biot
for most patterns, due to good availability, durability and ease of use. Any
others with input on this?


if you can find them, seek out Canada Goose primary wing biots...dye
them in any manner you like and see what a difference they make in the
segmented appearance of the body.I think you will like it

http://www.troutflies.com/Merchant2/...009/hoh139.jpg

Damn, that's a nice tie, Harry.

Tom Littleton wrote:
Over the past few years, I have tied more and more dryfly imitations of
mayfly duns with variations of quill bodies. I use the word mayfly for
generics, not just the large fly by that name as Europeans use it. My
reasons for the move to quills was twofold: A slender, realistically
segmented body could be created and lighter colors remained true when wet.
The variations I have tried include, peacock quill(bleached and
dyed),stripped and dyed hackle quill,
bleached and dyed peccarry, turkey biots and plastic
'pseudoquill' types. Right now, I have sort of settled for using turkey biot
for most patterns, due to good availability, durability and ease of use. Any
others with input on this?
Tom

I like goose biots. If you tie them in correctly, one edge will curl up
for a really authentic segmented look to the body.

Tim Lysyk

copyright me.

"Tim Lysyk" wrote in message
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I like goose biots. If you tie them in correctly, one edge will curl up
for a really authentic segmented look to the body.

Tim Lysyk

copyright me.

have you tried bleached and dyed turkey biot? Sort of the same effect(turn
biot over and tie, and the edge lays flat, still segmentation but less
prominent). Agreed, biots seem to be my go-to for a thin, segmented body at
the moment.
Allan Podell gave me a whole range of dyed, bleached peccary. They make
great quills, and are easy to tie with, with GREAT segmentation. The main
problem, I cannot find a reliable source of bleached or for that matter,
any, peccary hairs.....
Tom

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in doing so, nor will I post to either of the groups again.

Mike Connor"

8/3/08 7:30 pm EDT

Tom Littleton wrote:

have you tried bleached and dyed turkey biot? Sort of the same effect(turn
biot over and tie, and the edge lays flat, still segmentation but less
prominent). Agreed, biots seem to be my go-to for a thin, segmented body at
the moment.
Allan Podell gave me a whole range of dyed, bleached peccary. They make
great quills, and are easy to tie with, with GREAT segmentation. The main
problem, I cannot find a reliable source of bleached or for that matter,
any, peccary hairs.....
Tom


Nope, never used turkey biots. I tend to only use turkey for stonefly
wing cases.

Never used peccary either.

Tim Lysyk

copyright me

On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:37:22 GMT, Tim Lysyk
wrote:

Tom Littleton wrote:
Over the past few years, I have tied more and more dryfly imitations of
mayfly duns with variations of quill bodies. I use the word mayfly for
generics, not just the large fly by that name as Europeans use it. My
reasons for the move to quills was twofold: A slender, realistically
segmented body could be created and lighter colors remained true when wet.
The variations I have tried include, peacock quill(bleached and
dyed),stripped and dyed hackle quill,
bleached and dyed peccarry, turkey biots and plastic
'pseudoquill' types. Right now, I have sort of settled for using turkey biot
for most patterns, due to good availability, durability and ease of use. Any
others with input on this?
Tom

I like goose biots. If you tie them in correctly, one edge will curl up
for a really authentic segmented look to the body.

Tim Lysyk

copyright me.


Dyed Domestic Goose Biots are not the same as dyed wild Canada Goose.
They are very hard to find and if you know a hunter a bottle of
whatever will go a long ways. The domestic or white dyed goose biot
does not have the depth of the "dark" edge definition when tied in,
which is what gives the pronounced segmented look. I will try an find
my vise and build a few for comparison and post the results

On Aug 5, 6:51*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

You know, its posts like this one that either assures one, or chastens
one that they are not as hardcore as their critics might have
intimated. I think I tried to wind biot once, and felt real superior
about those times I kinda succeeded in using biot for the short
antenna of a large Kaufman's style stonefly. You guys are hardcore.
Never mind. :-O

Dave
Reminds me of a serious discussion of the differing merits of split
shot brands I once listened to in shock at a clave a few years back.
Keeps one humble. Sort of.