Well, now...

On Sep 4, 7:37*am, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 06:27:25 -0700 (PDT), "



wrote:
On Sep 4, 6:07*am, jeff wrote:
wrote:
OK, do I post the obvious:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

or do I post the less-so:

She was back at the bar, showered, dressed, and halfway into drinks and
dinner when the ball finally hit the ground...after going straight over
the mound and somewhere WAY past the lights...

Seriously, with a couple of missteps, Palin, if she holds, may well have
outspeeched Obama in even his most ardent fans' dreams. *At the very
least, Biden better not be sleeping.

Boys, and I use that term VERY loosely, we gots us a horserace,
R
...and I can hardly wait to hear the Tel slams...

a bit shrill...but well-delivered. of course, reports are it was written
entirely by others and she was taught how to deliver it in a 6+ hour
session. still, she had to stand up there and make it true...and i think
she did well in talking to her choir. she seems sturdy. i look forward
to seeing her without her puppetmasters...that will be the real test.
but, i agree...it's going to be interesting and close.

jeff (still...i missed the black leather boots...perhaps she has a tatoo
and a special piercing??)

I'm not usually one to throw up the sexist card, but.....

Given that Obama's only reason for being nominated is his speech-
making
ability it feels odd to hear Palin denigrated for her speech-making
ability.

Well, fair's fair - she's no Halle Berry...



Full-disclosure, I didn't actually see/hear/read either Obama or
Palin's speeches,
I'm far more interested in their substance than how they can read from
a
teleprompter.

Um...OK. *I'm curious - do you prefer to base your
substance-of-the-candidate decision more on the spew from Rush, et al or
Huffingtonpost, et al...?

I prefer looking at past behavior.....which is difficult because in
this case
one candidate hasn't done anything.

Generally I look at who has been closest to the center before they
started
campaigning for President. This should make me an obvious McCain
voter.
Unfortunately he's been trying to make up to the far-right ever since
2000
and that's making me sick to my stomach. Picking an anti-abortion
person
for VP may push me completely over the edge. Still not sure I can
vote
for Obama since he's a completely unknown/inexperienced quantity and
seems
totally naive (read: way too far left) for my tastes.

Looks like I'm leaning towards throwing my vote away again to a 3rd
party
candidate.
- Ken

"Frank Church" wrote in message
news:aQSvk.407$Af3.126@trnddc06...
wrote:
On Sep 4, 7:37 am, wrote:

She is on tape gushing over all the earmarked pork she got with the
help of Rep. Young (Indited) and Sen Stevens (On trial). And its a
matter of record that she did not turn back the $217 million pork pie
of Federal taxpayer money for the bridge to no-whe Fact, She kept
it and distributed to her own set of pork projects. Facts that the
vetting team did not get to the speech writing team in time to cut
from the speech. :

@)))))) What a TV ad that is going to make. Remember Richard, its not
only Texans who have trouble with that veracity thingy.

Dave

...your inability to spell simple words does not help your veracity and
your rabid political BS is further proof that
education does not confer common sense. Those liberal profs apparently
poked a lot of bull**** in your mush brains.

Still, it's encouraging that this time around, as always, everyone here
remains single-mindedly focused on all of the large real issues, about which
they continue to display their characteristic breadth and depth of
knowledge.

Wolfgang
who knows that it ain't just everywhere a boy can go to find such a firm
grasp on the world geopolitical and economic scenes.......let alone such a
stellar selection of foolproof solutions to problems that escape everyone
else in the world.

On Sep 4, 8:06*am, Frank Church wrote:
wrote:

...your inability to spell simple words does not help your veracity and
your rabid political BS is further proof that
education does not confer common sense. Those liberal profs apparently
poked a lot of bull**** in your mush brains.

Frank Sr.

But of course you cannot dispute anything in my post. Can you?
Put up or shut up time. Or just **** into the wind like you just did.
Im going fishing for a few days. Lets see if you can actually learn
what happened in that time frame, given your superiority thingy.

We know a bit more about Alaskan politics up here in the Pacific NW.
Our papers and media actually cover Alaska. Do yours? Ive worked in
Alaskan and really like Alaskans in general. But their taste for
getting others to pay the bills is notorious. Claiming she and
Alaskans decry pork is hilarious. Just does not fly. As you are about
to learn.

Dave
BYU and Utah professors as liberals? Earth to Frank, Earth to Frank.

On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:59:59 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sep 4, 7:37*am, wrote:

She is on tape gushing over all the earmarked pork she got with the
help of Rep. Young (Indited) and Sen Stevens (On trial). And its a
matter of record that she did not turn back the $217 million pork pie
of Federal taxpayer money for the bridge to no-whe Fact, She kept
it and distributed to her own set of pork projects. Facts that the
vetting team did not get to the speech writing team in time to cut
from the speech. :

@)))))) What a TV ad that is going to make.

Yeah - boring. I'm not talking about reality or truth, I'm talking
about what the very small relative number of voters who are gonna decide
thing are going to believe (and/or want to believe). And 217 mil of
pork that she didn't initiate and came out of Congress isn't gonna make
one iota of difference. Heck, McCain, Obama, and Biden are more
responsible for it than she is, and "THE FACT" (cue music) that she took
what fell into her lap and spent on her state isn't going to get too
many folks all a-tizzy. Yet another thing the Dems, with two Senators
on the ticket, need to be VERY careful about shouting from the rooftops.
IAC, the Dems put up some shtick about pork and bridges and Alaskan
Senators and house remodels and the GOP puts up pictures of her and her
family and Cindy McCain, and the heartland of the US, where corn and
farm subsidies pay for vacations, votes Sarah/Cindy '08...and oh, yeah,
for that old guy, whathisname, the war hero dude, too...

Remember Richard, its not
only Texans who have trouble with that veracity thingy.

Right. It's most all politicians and "liberals"...

Dave

HTH,
R

wrote:



I'm not usually one to throw up the sexist card, but.....

Given that Obama's only reason for being nominated is his speech-
making
ability it feels odd to hear Palin denigrated for her speech-making
ability.

Full-disclosure, I didn't actually see/hear/read either Obama or
Palin's speeches,
I'm far more interested in their substance than how they can read from
a
teleprompter.
- Ken


not sure what you mean by the sexist card... but, i'd be less than
honest if i didn't admit i find her kinda sexy...in an objective,
chauvinist, political, platonic way of course. g 5 kids...she looks
amazing.

i honestly know little of her substance (something i probably share with
mccain), and my sexist comments are pure SNL in nature... but... i was
impressed by her delivery, shrill as it was. no one denigrated her
speech-making ability...but then, she didn't use her ability to create
the speech she gave. like you, i look forward to seeing how she handles
herself without the handlers and speechwriters. still, she performed
well in primetime, which is no easy feat.

of course, she offered no ideas, no policies, and nothing of real
substance. it's all sloganeering thus far. she did what republicans do
best...denigrate the other party... she recited it fairly well.

jeff
i'd also suggest mere speechifying doesn't win nominations at that level.

wrote:
OK, do I post the obvious:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

or do I post the less-so:

She was back at the bar, showered, dressed, and halfway into drinks and
dinner when the ball finally hit the ground...after going straight over
the mound and somewhere WAY past the lights...

I didn't watch it, I was about 8 miles from the nearest road
canoe camping with my new pup, but from what I read today it
was a great speech for getting clueless white folks to stand
up and chant; USA, USA ! And little else save the usual GOP
lies and half truths denigrating the Dems.

She came off as a provincial rube with a perverse and willful
ignorance about the country she lives in. Mocking community
organizing on Chicago's south side ? What in the hell was her
speechwriter thinking ?

But I'm glad you enjoyed yourself.

USA, USA !! ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:53:13 -0500, wrote:

OK, do I post the obvious:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

or do I post the less-so:

She was back at the bar, showered, dressed, and halfway into drinks and
dinner when the ball finally hit the ground...after going straight over
the mound and somewhere WAY past the lights...

Seriously, with a couple of missteps, Palin, if she holds, may well have
outspeeched Obama in even his most ardent fans' dreams. At the very
least, Biden better not be sleeping.

Boys, and I use that term VERY loosely, we gots us a horserace,
R
...and I can hardly wait to hear the Tel slams...

I agree: she delivered exactly as she was programmed, and did that job well.
Very well, in fact.

************************************************** **********************************************
September 4, 2008
After Palin speech, Obama has record $10 million day
Posted: 08:50 PM ET

(CNN) Barack Obama's campaign for president has raised $10 million since
Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin spoke Wednesday night, the
campaign announced, calling it a "one-day record."

Palin, the governor of Alaska, launched harsh attacks on Obama, accusing him
of being two-faced and a political lightweight with no significant legislative
accomplishments.

"Coverage of the Palin attacks on the news this evening just pushed us over
$10 million," Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki said in an e-mail to reporters
Wednesday night.

The Republican Party announced earlier in the day it had raised $1 million in
the wake of Palin's speech.
************************************************** **********************************************

Whoops!

/daytripper (maybe America is tired of such hateful rhetoric?)

On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:19:42 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
OK, do I post the obvious:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

or do I post the less-so:

She was back at the bar, showered, dressed, and halfway into drinks and
dinner when the ball finally hit the ground...after going straight over
the mound and somewhere WAY past the lights...

I didn't watch it, I was about 8 miles from the nearest road
canoe camping with my new pup, but from what I read today it
was a great speech for getting clueless white folks to stand
up and chant; USA, USA ! And little else save the usual GOP
lies and half truths denigrating the Dems.

She came off as a provincial rube with a perverse and willful
ignorance about the country she lives in. Mocking community
organizing on Chicago's south side ? What in the hell was her
speechwriter thinking ?

But I'm glad you enjoyed yourself.

USA, USA !! ;-)

You pet your puppy with those fingers...? For shame, for shame.

And if you missed McCain, too, here's the scoop:

Better than fair, not objectively great, but it got the yahoos cheering
their asses off. And yet again, the Dems are gonna have to figure out a
way around it - it had the USA!!! mom and guys in decorated VFW caps
swooning over sonny boy, and Dem rebuttals blasting mom and the VFW is
one surefire way to lose. I'd give it, surprisingly, a 85-90 on content
and about a 70-75 or so on delivery, but it was a rah-rah, so it could
break _seriously_ one way or the other. Impressive moments in a so-so
speech, but it had elements that may or may not click. If they click,
he hit a respectable homer, if not, at worst, he was so-so, so overall,
worst-case, break-even.

TC,
R

wrote:
On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:19:42 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:


wrote:

OK, do I post the obvious:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

or do I post the less-so:

She was back at the bar, showered, dressed, and halfway into drinks and
dinner when the ball finally hit the ground...after going straight over
the mound and somewhere WAY past the lights...

I didn't watch it, I was about 8 miles from the nearest road
canoe camping with my new pup, but from what I read today it
was a great speech for getting clueless white folks to stand
up and chant; USA, USA ! And little else save the usual GOP
lies and half truths denigrating the Dems.

She came off as a provincial rube with a perverse and willful
ignorance about the country she lives in. Mocking community
organizing on Chicago's south side ? What in the hell was her
speechwriter thinking ?

But I'm glad you enjoyed yourself.

USA, USA !! ;-)


You pet your puppy with those fingers...? For shame, for shame.

And if you missed McCain, too, here's the scoop:

Better than fair, not objectively great, but it got the yahoos cheering
their asses off. And yet again, the Dems are gonna have to figure out a
way around it - it had the USA!!! mom and guys in decorated VFW caps
swooning over sonny boy, and Dem rebuttals blasting mom and the VFW is
one surefire way to lose. I'd give it, surprisingly, a 85-90 on content
and about a 70-75 or so on delivery, but it was a rah-rah, so it could
break _seriously_ one way or the other. Impressive moments in a so-so
speech, but it had elements that may or may not click. If they click,
he hit a respectable homer, if not, at worst, he was so-so, so overall,
worst-case, break-even.

TC,
R

the most remarkable and noticable thing for me with regard to the entire
republican convention was the patent caucasian hue on the convention
floor and balconies...

other than speaking openly about the details and effect of his time as a
pow, which i thought a bit fetching but compelling and effective, his
talk was basic republican gruel... the pretense of change was laughable.
at least he didn't have that cryptkeeper grin that has plagued his
earlier speeches to his masses. i didn't hear any new ideas or policies
that will bring about change or reforms...did you? palin is the story so
far...

jeff

"jeff miller" wrote in message
. ..

...palin is the story so far...

And Murricans LOVE a good story. Speaking of which, two jokes:

One of them is an old joke and the other is not so old......and neither of
them is funny. But one of them will be the next president of the United
States of America.

Um......on second thought, that IS kinda funny.....for those who like
gallows humor.

Wolfgang
meanwhile, elsewhere (mostly.....for the time being), the body count is in
the millions and rising without any serious interruption.....or much notice.