The Big Bailout (OT, or not)

On Sep 24, 9:29*pm, Tim Lysyk wrote:
riverman wrote:
Just got this in the email. Food for thought...
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I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.

Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a We
Deserve It Dividend.

To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bonafide
U.S.
Citizens 18+.

Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and
child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up..

So divide 200 million adults 18+ *into $85 billion that equals
$425,000.00.

I think your math is off.

85,000,000,000 divided by 200,000,000 = $425.

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It's still agood buy.We now own it, We can make it our national health
plan. Sign everybody up ( congress included). We'll have to get
someone from France or Canada to run it. The dumb **** running it now
only got 29 millioni a year. I am sure we can hire lots of tallent for
that.

On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:08:58 -0700 (PDT), BJ Conner
wrote:

Sign everybody up ( congress included).

You wish. If only we all had the health care that Congress has. They
get first-class-private room-best doctors-care. The kind of national
health care they give you and me will be nowhere near as good. Screw
government health care. I had it for 20 years and it's ok as long as
you don't mind waiting, and waiting, and waiting. Give everyone $5K
and let them buy their own. They don't buy it and get sick? Tough.

Dave

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
Give everyone $5K
and let them buy their own. They don't buy it and get sick? Tough.

Dave



I don't know what the situation is in Mass, but 5K wouldn't get you **** for
a decent policy in PA.
Tom

On Sep 27, 6:40*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message

...
Give everyone $5K

and let them buy their own. *They don't buy it and get sick? *Tough..

Dave

I don't know what the situation is in Mass, but 5K wouldn't get you **** for
a decent policy in PA.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom

... or in NY,or MA. Our employee family plan costs close to $11K in
MA now, and just about $10K in NY

"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
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I don't know what the situation is in Mass, but 5K wouldn't get you ****
for a decent policy in PA.


Why don't they just give every USian one bond each, and it'll be like a
lottery. Some will get a nice stream of income for 30 years, some for 5
years for the ARMS etc. And some will be dead fish.

I mean the USIANS effectively own the bonds anyway once this bailout goes
through. So why can't they get the payouts on them





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. Brad Pitt [Brangelina]

German media is reporting that the whole Jolie-Pitt clan flew into
Berlin, Germany
yesterday. They are expected to stay there for 90 days while Brad
films Inglorious *******s with director Quentin Tarantino. .
http://justjared.buzznet.com/2008/09...ad-pitt-yellow

Residing in a house at the Wannsee. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee

http://www.wasistlandschaft.de/bilde...ft/wannsee.jpg

http://www.berlin-stadtrundfahrt-onl...ad_Wannsee.jpg

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They seem to be rumoring a break up

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. Emmy Awards


My favorite dress:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...ave-Christina-...

Yeah, beautiful!

As you can see from the article she is recovering from cancer. I have
liked
her as an actress since she was in the show "Married with Children"

That vintage dress is awesome.

As you can see blue is my color for this season. It seems the prevailing
color this year is white with lots of little black patterns as from beads
or
tatting.

Everyone at work has been walking around with white outfits with black
patterns. I am tired of it.

I like the color blue, too.

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You know I have never been fond of blue but it's a requirement in the
business world. The Fashion page on msnbc said that the color of Mary
Louise Parker's dress was garish and made her look like trailer trash

You'll see, in about 2 years it will suddenly be THE color and high class
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Did you notice Terry Hatcher had a yellow dress. So did Mariska Hargitay
my
suggested Sarah Palin mimic. The even better Palin mimic Tina Fey whom
I've
discussed here so many times had a very becoming black dress. She won SO
many awards this year plus she looks like and can sound exactly like
Palin.

That's amazing.


Terry's dress:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/...x559_popup.jpg


. E.L.

Did you see Eva Longoria's dress. Very original.. She seems little
though
to carry off that bow. The word about her is funny. Everyone thought
she
was pregnant because she seems fat in recent photos. Her costars said
no,
she's not she's just fat. Turns out that's true. The shooting for the
new
season of Desperate Housewives is five years forward and she has two
little
kids in the episodes.

~
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/...x559_popup.jpg

Eva is in the newest "I'm a PC" Microsoft commercial.

Cute! Couldn't yet find a pertinent picture, though.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...rits-show.html

eva and terry are down 2/3 to the bottom of the christina url that I
repeat here

the eva dress got mixed reviews



. M. L. P.

My second favorite

http://justjared.buzznet.com/tags/mary-louise-parker

I've seen her on Broadway

. Holism | Monism | Utilitarianism

[...]

? ~ ?

There're unresolved questions on both sides: at the beginning
and at the ending.

... Infinity - Evolution - Emergence - Immanence - Infinity ...

lol - this is the first set of 2 sets of question marks.

You must think I've lost it.



. Mortgage Crisis

Maybe, I am tired of this mortgage crisis. For a variety of reasons I
think
this is bogus this buyout.

A number of shrewd guys earned more than fortunes - and, after all,
the USians and the international community are asked to pay for that
bogus disaster.

Angela Merkel, Germany's chancellor, has vented public frustration at
the US and UK governments' previous opposition to the stronger
regulation of financial markets. .
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/aa2da314-8...0779fd18c.html

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I've been ranting about it in other groups, I'll spare you because I'm
full of venom over it

Bush finally ten days later after the crisis (assuming you believe it
SUDDENLY happened ten days ago)

finally ten days after he finally starts begging us instead of giving us a
decent speech telling us it'll be ok

He looked like he was on drugs

he read the teleprompter very nicely. He has no idea what he is talking
about


It's just been revealed that neither house of government is willing to
sign
off on the 3 page plan proposed by Paulson.

They wouldn't listen so guess who they sent - Dick "WMD" Cheney.

Also apparently the White House has had this plan ready to go for MONTHS
but
just now delivered it as if it is a crisis.

And everyone seems to think they know what really went on.
This is what I studied in college and worked at for five years.

I see scam.

Yes, indeed, - and moreover, perhaps, based on some sort of
incompetence, at least partly.

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no simple intentional fraud
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It seems to me that if you have monism and you have duality then you have
at
least two views on consciousness. Um, I'm hungry. Let me go get a snack.





. Africa

Butl like the South African one, it's hard to figure out when he's
going.

?

Second question mark.

From the post I posted a few days ago

http://allafrica.com/stories/200809200165.html

Neither the party nor Mbeki has given any clear roadmap indicating when
Mbeki will resign, who will replace him or how long the process will
take.

Probably "Butl" meant... but I ...

. Hijacking

One of the daughters of my Cape Town cousin e-mailed yesterday to her
"global family & friends group" LATEST HIJACKING IN CAPE TOWN which I
copied into the haplifnet (for you to enjoy it, too):
http://haplif-blogging.googlegroups....TbgWzOVwDVEq9E

Take a few seconds in order to see what happens (animated clip) ...

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cute

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. Israel

From an article about Olmert

http://www.reuters.com/article/world...27650420080921

Olmert could stay on as interim prime minister for weeks or even months
until a new coalition government is formed or a new parliamentary
election
held.

These sort of resignations are sort of not resignations.

. Iran

Iran's president, at UN, defends right to use nuclear power

BY ZACHARY R. DOWDY - September 24, 2008

UNITED NATIONS - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad took thinly
veiled jabs at the United States, Israel, the United Nations and
European powers here as he defended his country's ambitions to harness
and use nuclear power in an address before nearly 200 world leaders.

Ahmadinejad spoke for a half hour at the UN General Assembly just
hours after a speech by President George W. Bush, who has chided Iran
for seeking nuclear power, saying the country's desires for such power
are likely for defensive or offensive purposes, not to tap the atom
for domestic energy supplies.

But Ahmadinejad said his country, which in recent weeks has drawn some
criticism from the United Nations' International Atomic Energy Agency
for not fully cooperating with the monitoring agency, has the right to
seek nuclear energy..
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/ne...,7819622.story

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well he has the right to be blown up too
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"Fine spring day, California waves
Sweet Pacific scenes through the
Windows of airplanes and hotel rooms

So when I find myself alone and unworthy
I think about all of the things I learned from the
Fine fine women with nothing but good intentions and a
Bad tendency to get burned "--chemistry, semisonic


. Sarah Palin


Palin is meeting with a lot of international leaders this week. Some
have
referred to this as speed dating.


So far she spent 2o minutes talking to Hamid Karzai about his baby.

"john p" wrote in message: [...]

More at:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.c...35e3d17?hl=en&




she meets with Saakashvili today

McCain and Obama were supposed to participate in their first debate on
Friday but McCain withdrew because of the perceived need to continue
negotiatiing the financial crisis. This and the lack of access to Palin
by press is signaling bad news.

http://www.russiavotes.org/president...trends.php#190

this is an interesting poll. It includes approval ratings for Medvedev
and Putin. Quite high. The September ratings aren't in yet. The
Russian stock market has crashed as well. Will the Russians feel as good
about their leaders now?
Who cares about the Georgian war now, can they even afford it

mk5000

"This is what we snack on when we're Questin'
Now drop the beat, so I can talk about my favorite tastings
The food that is the everlasting, see I'm not fasting
I'm gobbling, like a dog on turkey
Beef jerky, slim jims, I eat sometimes
I like lemons and limes
And if not that, take it the road see and the salad sopped
Sit back, relax, listen to some hip hop "--Tribe called quest, Ham N Eggs

On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:55:51 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote:

Just got this in the email. Food for thought...
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.

Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a We
Deserve It Dividend.

To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bonafide
U.S.
Citizens 18+.

Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and
child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up..

So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billion that equals
$425,000.00.

My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a We Deserve It
Dividend.

[... Remainder of effed up math snipped]

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BTW, just where DOES that $85B go to, anyway? Is it just an infusion
so the Wall Street Block Party can carry on, as usual? That's some
party.

--riverman

Ugh - I think I'm gonna puke - but I actually have to agree with Dick.

Maybe this was written by an Englishman - where a billion is a million
million.

In the USA, a billion is a mere thousand million, so the hand-out per each of
the 200 million recipients would be a scant 425 bucklettes.

/daytripper (and the answer to your question is clearly: yes)